What do you think of this project?

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Never had good dealings with the firm either and yet the guys I worked with on projects were decent to deal with. But then I could say the same thing about PCL.

Currently working with Bird, Graham, Clark and JenCol on projects. Getting along good with all of them.
 
skiis said:
I heard that EllisDon defaulted on this project. There are a few projects across Canada which have had unexpected GC departures this year but this is especially odd considering they snatched the job from Clark to begin with. Over promise and under deliver?
Not a good outcome for EllisDon but I hope this project can still proceed.
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A slightly disingenuous comment - I'm sure they were in part responsible for the failure of the contract, but there's not a chance in hell that a contractor of that size would genuinely default on a project like this. Perhaps that's the spin the developer will put on it, but I can't imagine it's factual.
 
Hugh Jazz said:
A slightly disingenuous comment - I'm sure they were in part responsible for the failure of the contract, but there's not a chance in hell that a contractor of that size would genuinely default on a project like this. Perhaps that's the spin the developer will put on it, but I can't imagine it's factual.
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I'm just sharing what I've heard, I don't know enough to make judgement. Take it as a rumor, there are always two sides to a story.

Looking at this from a distance though construction was proceeding and stopped pretty much immediately after EllisDon took over. We can only speculate on why but it seems mistakes were made.
 
Hugh Jazz said:
A slightly disingenuous comment - I'm sure they were in part responsible for the failure of the contract, but there's not a chance in hell that a contractor of that size would genuinely default on a project like this. Perhaps that's the spin the developer will put on it, but I can't imagine it's factual.
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Clark is not small either.
 
Indeed. Again, no doubt there is likely blame on both sides for the failure (both in the ellisdon and clark scenarios), but I would be highly suspicious as to the source of any rumour that absolves this developer of blame - especially given that they've gone through two large GCs and have nothing to show for it but a hole in the ground.

Anyway, I hope they can recover and find a gc that will work - this is an important project and we don't need another vacant hole in the ground!
 
skiis said:
I heard that EllisDon defaulted on this project. There are a few projects across Canada which have had unexpected GC departures this year but this is especially odd considering they snatched the job from Clark to begin with. Over promise and under deliver?
Not a good outcome for EllisDon but I hope this project can still proceed.
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After being in this business for almost 20-years I can tell you that any project that recycles through a general contractor (once is bad enough nevermind twice) is NOT a good sign. There's obviously a lot more to this. I remain hopeful but I'm growing more skeptical each day.
 
Is it possible this site could be sold to a new developer? I just can’t imagine this isn’t one of the most attractive lots in the core right now to develop. This node of 120st-124st is booming. LRT nearby soon.
 
thommyjo said:
Is it possible this site could be sold to a new developer? I just can’t imagine this isn’t one of the most attractive lots in the core right now to develop. This node of 120st-124st is booming. LRT nearby soon.
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It's happened before....Pagnotta bought the site in Windsor Park back in 2020 or so and then Cidex bought out the BCM site.
 
At this point, what does this do to the reputation of the developer? This is Open Sky's first major vertical development and they've blown through two general contractors that are major industry players. Their financing cannot be happy either.
 
I am sure it all started with the change from 17 floors to 22 floors -- the "extra" quote and terms must have been so far out of line that the developer balked. An escape clause probably allowed them to terminate their contract with Clark. Who knows what happened with Ellis-Don??? Discussions ongoing with PCL?
 
archited said:
I am sure it all started with the change from 17 floors to 22 floors -- the "extra" quote and terms must have been so far out of line that the developer balked. An escape clause probably allowed them to terminate their contract with Clark. Who knows what happened with Ellis-Don??? Discussions ongoing with PCL?
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I believe this is correct. I just heard that for them to go up, they need to go down more, however the shoring as been completed. Going down further once your shoring is complete is a nightmare.
 
@Vacs a good Civil (Soils) Engineer should be able to solve the problem without additional excavation (and maybe that too has already been done) with pile drilling beneath slab footings for extra bearing.
 
archited said:
@Vacs a good Civil (Soils) Engineer should be able to solve the problem without additional excavation (and maybe that too has already been done) with pile drilling beneath slab footings for extra bearing.
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to excavate another level of parkade once your shoring has been complete?

I've had to do it before, it was neither easy or cheap
 
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