I believe that if the mayor doesn't want to see something that goes against what he wants, admin finds a way to ensure reports are biased in favor of that. One doesn't have to be right-wing to be manipulative.

Tell me this, why are the majority of rail based systems around the world only accessible via fare gates but not Edmonton (and Calgary). Vancouver, Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto all have fare gates. Yet, somehow, it's not needed here?!

All around the world, Metro systems deploy them.

I don't trust city admin (due to their biased push to enact a 'progressive' agenda), as much as I don't trust UCP bureaucracy who work to make this province MAGA north.
 
Not every place has fare gates to be fair. Our metro systems were based on the S-Bahns of Frankfurt and they still maintain the same policy to this day. Same with some of the Nordic countries and Austria, where we based our metro systems on.
 
Kosy123 said:
Not every place has fare gates to be fair. Our metro systems were based on the S-Bahns of Frankfurt and they still maintain the same policy to this day. Same with some of the Nordic countries and Austria, where we based our metro systems on.
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Likewise, I've taken the U/S-Bahns/trams in Berlin, Leipzig, Dresden, Zurich (and Frankfurt)—no fare gates. Minneapolis-St. Paul, whose light rail is probably closer to Edmonton's (especially the Valley Line) than any other I've seen, also has no fare gates. That's not to say there shouldn't be in Edmonton, but it's just not a universal.
 
itom987 said:
Fare gates are a must, enough with the vandalism and disorderly conduct. Those fentanyl goofs need stay away.
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Fare gates don’t stop that. Have you seen the NYC subway? What actually keeps them away are cops patrolling stations and tougher criminal sentences that make their jobs easier.
 
yeggator said:
Fare gates don’t stop that. Have you seen the NYC subway? What actually keeps them away are cops patrolling stations and tougher criminal sentences that make their jobs easier.
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This is kind of saying like locking your doors does not stop crime so why bother. Nothing is 100% effective, but we really need to make more of an effort to improve things.

I don't know where our police are, downtown they seem to be MIA or something. We probably need both fare gates and more cops patrolling although I think the possibility of the later happening is unlikely.
 
When I was in germany they had people go around checking proof of payment around 1 in 2 times I took transit.
I think Edmonton transit perception would be better if we had people riding on buses and lrt checking EVERYBODY'S ticket.
 
Wax said:
When I was in germany they had people go around checking proof of payment around 1 in 2 times I took transit.
I think Edmonton transit perception would be better if we had people riding on buses and lrt checking EVERYBODY'S ticket.
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I think it's gone down (last time I was checked 0 times in two weeks of regular transit ridership) but it's definitely more than in Edmonton. Some more fare-checking would be a good thing.
 
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If the issue is crime and disorder around transit, I think the real question here is whether installing entrance barriers is the best use of money.

It will likely cost millions to purchase, install and maintain the equipment, so some thought should be given to other solutions, which may be more effective and cheaper. More security and fare checks are just two examples.

Spending millions to simply move the problem to station entrances is a waste, IMHO.
 
roe_ said:
If the issue is crime and disorder around transit, I think the real question here is whether installing entrance barriers is the best use of money.

It will likely cost millions to purchase, install and maintain the equipment, so some thought should be given to other solutions, which may be more effective and cheaper. More security and fare checks are just two examples.

Spending millions to simply move the problem to station entrances is a waste, IMHO.
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Agreed, and in addition I think having staff checking fares has a good side effect of adding to perception of safety. Makes the stations feel like less of a free-for-all and more of a controlled area.
 
roe_ said:
If the issue is crime and disorder around transit, I think the real question here is whether installing entrance barriers is the best use of money.

It will likely cost millions to purchase, install and maintain the equipment, so some thought should be given to other solutions, which may be more effective and cheaper. More security and fare checks are just two examples.

Spending millions to simply move the problem to station entrances is a waste, IMHO.
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Not every problem can be solved with automation. Boots on the ground have their place.
 
Out of Towner said:
Not every problem can be solved with automation. Boots on the ground have their place.
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No, but EPS is MIA and they really don't seem to want to deal with this, so that isn't going to happen.

Yes there may still be people who still loiter around stations, but for people who use LRT, most of their time is spent in fare paid areas or on the trains, so improving the safety of these areas needs to be the focus and priority.
 
In germany its not police but DB employees. we could have a similar solution with ets employees? The fines could pay for the employees potentially…
David A said:
No, but EPS is MIA and they really don't seem to want to deal with this, so that isn't going to happen.

Yes there may still be people who still loiter around stations, but for people who use LRT, most of their time is spent in fare paid areas or on the trains, so improving the safety of these areas needs to be the focus and priority.
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Wax said:
In germany its not police but DB employees. we could have a similar solution with ets employees? The fines could pay for the employees potentially…
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If ETS really wanted to deal with this properly, they would have already done so. Sorry, no one here wants to deal with this and the fines collected from the people causing problems will not cover a cup of coffee.
 
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