erudyk_29 said:
Smith's government has consistently treated Edmonton like a "fart in the room" to quote a conservative MP from a couple years ago speaking about Alberta. They have a vested interest in investing as little as possible in Edmonton, as an NDP stronghold. Don't expect to see any movement on any major provincial infrastructure projects in Edmonton until we don't have a UCP government anymore.
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Like a "popcorn" or "beef enchilada" fart? Agreed
 
David A said:
So will the headlines have to go to 200% over capacity or 300%. How many people will have to die before anything is done?
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That last bit I believe we are already at the point of people dyeing needlessly or for not getting timely help. This gov will go through the motions for the next 3 years then say we do not have the money or the capacity does not justify a major hospital at this time since everyone will be going to private clinics.
 
Airboy said:
That last bit I believe we are already at the point of people dyeing needlessly or for not getting timely help. This gov will go through the motions for the next 3 years then say we do not have the money or the capacity does not justify a major hospital at this time since everyone will be going to private clinics.
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I agree. They will just milk this along until the next economic downturn and then shelf it saying there is no money.
 
A few pages back someone with inside knowledge said this was moving forward. I don't know if you all should be so negative about it.
 
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occidentalcapital said:
A few pages back someone with inside knowledge said this was moving forward. I don't know if you all should be so negative about it.
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Inside in the premiers office or a cabinet ministers office is different than inside knowledge in Alberta Infrastructure short of maybe a Deputy ministers office. There are still a lot of issues with the site itself that won't be solved overnight.
 
occidentalcapital said:
A few pages back someone with inside knowledge said this was moving forward. I don't know if you all should be so negative about it.
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As I've said elsewhere on this board in relation to other projects, I go based on past performance. I'm not the only one who fears that this government--which feels that it "owes" Edmonton nothing given that the capital voted entirely NDP--will find a way to delay or postpone this project indefinitely, attributing it to the state of the economy, to increases in material and labour costs, to competing needs elsewhere in the province, to the war in Gaza, to the fact that the Frasier reboot is so terrible, to the fact that even if the hospital were built we wouldn't have enough doctors and nurses to staff it, etc. etc.

I'll believe it's moving forward when I see contracts signed, a definitive timeline issued and actual, significant activity on the project site.
 
occidentalcapital said:
A few pages back someone with inside knowledge said this was moving forward. I don't know if you all should be so negative about it.
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Probably because UCP made a big dog and pony show about doing earthworks on the site in 2021, and since then have done virtually zero aside from assign some vague budget figures for it that they'll slash the second all the juicy resource royalty revenue dries up.

They walked away from the Super Lab after dirt was already being turned. They don't even have to cancel this one they can just simply not move forward and continue to blame the pipeline boogeyman, just like they continue to do now. Sunk cost isn't a fallacy the UCP really subscribes to.
 
The only project I see them doing is the central pharmacy. And Red Deer hospital will get all the funding for any new hospital. I remember being in Rocky Mountain house last year and looking at a small expansion on the health centre. I asked what it was and the municipality guy said it was a new surgical centre. But said he didn't know when it would open because they could not find any doctors that wanted to use it.

As for local the only major HC will be the Nurosurgical & ICU centre. Which has already been downsized from a stand alone to a section of the Walter C now.
 
I get that there are delays and other competing political priorities, but at some point further delay becomes negligence and neglect. Enough with the excuses now.

It really needs to start to move ahead quickly now, the city isn't going to stop growing while the Alberta government gets its s*it together and the over capacity problems are only going to get worse.

If the politicians and bureaucrats can't grasp that, headlines of death in the future will be blamed on them. I hope at least they do not want that.
 
David A said:
I get that there are delays and other competing political priorities, but at some point further delay becomes negligence and neglect. Enough with the excuses now.

It really needs to start to move ahead quickly now, the city isn't going to stop growing while the Alberta government gets its s*it together and the over capacity problems are only going to get worse.

If the politicians and bureaucrats can't grasp that, headlines of death in the future will be blamed on them. I hope at least they do not want that.
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It never bothered the Klein Conservatives when patients were jammed in the hallways in hospitals during the worst of the cuts in the 1990s. People were dying in corridors and it didn't seem to make any difference...nor did it to the public, who continued to vote Conservative solidly until 2015.
 
My fear is that with this latest reorganization of AHS the hospital project is going to get lost in the chaos. There will be so much upheaval going on and so many competing priorities that it will just fall off the radar.

I'll say it again: elected municipal councils in the Edmonton area (not just the City of Edmonton) need to come together and pressure the province to get the hospital built. Additional capacity benefits everyone living in the region...Fort Saskatchewan, Spruce Grove, Morinville, Stony Plain, Beaumont. If all of these councils start speaking with one voice and telling their UCP MLAs (some of whom are in Cabinet) that they want this project done, it becomes less of an "Edmonton project" which can be delayed indefinitely in order to punish the city for voting for Rachel Notley.
 
At that time Klein and his supporters were focused on, some would say obsessed with eliminating a deficit. At this point, I believe Alberta is still running a surplus, so no excuses really.
 
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