I'm just telling you what I've been told everyone so calm down with the snarky comments on here. Christ. Sorry for sharing what I've been told by EPS members I know.

Also, if you are on Facebook, the page Historic Edmonton, has good shots of the demolition the Remand currently.
 
bodsbods9090 said:
I'm just telling you what I've been told everyone so calm down with the snarky comments on here. Christ. Sorry for sharing what I've been told by EPS members I know.
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And I'm just providing corrections as someone who has matter-of-factly lived in places that they're so afraid of and actually paid attention to things like long-term trends in violent crime statistics, so calm down with your pearl clutching.
 
Coprolite said:
And I'm just providing corrections as someone who has matter-of-factly lived in places that they're so afraid of and actually paid attention to things like long-term trends in violent crime statistics, so calm down with your pearl clutching.
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As someone who has spent most of my adult life living in the sketchier portions of Edmonton if find that things are worse in some areas and better in others.

Number of homeless seems to be much higher and they seem much more desperate/disadvantaged and more likely to be using drugs. On 118th they seem to be up a lot from even just 10 years ago.

And while i feel that random gunfire is still a slightly high possibility, I don't feel like a mass gangwar is about to break out and end up with me getting shot just because i was walking along the main drag. Which was a concern on 107 Ave in my early twenties.
 
AJo said:
As someone who has spent most of my adult life living in the sketchier portions of Edmonton if find that things are worse in some areas and better in others.

Number of homeless seems to be much higher and they seem much more desperate/disadvantaged and more likely to be using drugs. On 118th they seem to be up a lot from even just 10 years ago.

And while i feel that random gunfire is still a slightly high possibility, I don't feel like a mass gangwar is about to break out and end up with me getting shot just because i was walking along the main drag. Which was a concern on 107 Ave in my early twenties.
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118 Ave is, for all of its issues (some of which have indeed gotten better in the last 10 years), one of the neighbourhoods that's arguably better now in a lot of ways than it was 30 years ago. It was, however, a place you could live cheaply even if the living arrangements were bound to be "interesting".

Just to bring the subject back around to the topic at hand, what absolutely would absolutely not fix anything is turning the old Remand Centre into a homeless shelter, because even if it weren't a leaky, mold infested jail, homeless shelters don't actually make homeless folks not homeless.
 
Coprolite said:
118 Ave is, for all of its issues (some of which have indeed gotten better in the last 10 years), one of the neighbourhoods that's arguably better now in a lot of ways than it was 30 years ago. It was, however, a place you could live cheaply even if the living arrangements were bound to be "interesting".

Just to bring the subject back around to the topic at hand, what absolutely would absolutely not fix anything is turning the old Remand Centre into a homeless shelter, because even if it weren't a leaky, mold infested jail, homeless shelters don't actually make homeless folks not homeless.
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Emphasis added because that pretty much sums it up.
 
Coprolite said:
And I'm just providing corrections as someone who has matter-of-factly lived in places that they're so afraid of and actually paid attention to things like long-term trends in REPORTED violent crime statistics, so calm down with your pearl clutching.
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Fixed that for you? How many people have given up reporting because it feels hopeless to even care any more?

Stats can almost always be twisted to fit a desired narrative.

And here, I feel like the frog in the pot of water. It gets hotter and I don't say anything because it doesn't seem like there's an issue, until it's too late. Just because I'm not complaining doesn't mean the situation is somehow better.
 
Offworld said:
Fixed that for you? How many people have given up reporting because it feels hopeless to even care any more?

Stats can almost always be twisted to fit a desired narrative.

And here, I feel like the frog in the pot of water. It gets hotter and I don't say anything because it doesn't seem like there's an issue, until it's too late. Just because I'm not complaining doesn't mean the situation is somehow better.
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I agree that reported violent crime statistics in the past were also understated, especially given that we had active gang wars going on over the drug trade and that you're skewing things to fit a narrative which is a digression from the demolition of the old Remand Centre.
 
I realize people who make a decent income often want to live in nicer or more prestigious areas, but I would prefer those people paid from city tax funds actually live in our city.

Of course, people on more limited budgets, don't have the same choice or freedom and have to make the best of it in less desirable areas, but those areas are not always as bad as made to seem.

I do feel with housing prices increasing, some people who would have otherwise moved to suburban areas will start to look at some of those other areas more and that may lead to improvement.
 
Offworld said:
Fixed that for you? How many people have given up reporting because it feels hopeless to even care any more?

Stats can almost always be twisted to fit a desired narrative.

And here, I feel like the frog in the pot of water. It gets hotter and I don't say anything because it doesn't seem like there's an issue, until it's too late. Just because I'm not complaining doesn't mean the situation is somehow better.
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I don't trust stats, I only trust pure vibes 😌
 
Coprolite said:
118 Ave is, for all of its issues (some of which have indeed gotten better in the last 10 years), one of the neighbourhoods that's arguably better now in a lot of ways than it was 30 years ago. It was, however, a place you could live cheaply even if the living arrangements were bound to be "interesting".

Just to bring the subject back around to the topic at hand, what absolutely would absolutely not fix anything is turning the old Remand Centre into a homeless shelter, because even if it weren't a leaky, mold infested jail, homeless shelters don't actually make homeless folks not homeless.
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118th still is a place to live cheaply but the perception of safety is worse in the last while.
As to the Remand, I whole heartedly agree with its removal. The old building is "cursed" at this point and the amount of renovation needed to make it stop looking like what it was both inside and outside isn't feasible.
And while overnight shelters do nothing to "cure" homelessness, what i really think we need to do is expand and fund both more overnight spaces and more day spaces that include addictions programming/mental health services.
Follow that with several levels of government run and subsided social housing to transition people out of the shelters and back into more normal living conditions.
 
David A said:
I realize people who make a decent income often want to live in nicer or more prestigious areas, but I would prefer those people paid from city tax funds actually live in our city.

Of course, people on more limited budgets, don't have the same choice or freedom and have to make the best of it in less desirable areas, but those areas are not always as bad as made to seem.

I do feel with housing prices increasing, some people who would have otherwise moved to suburban areas will start to look at some of those other areas more and that may lead to improvement.
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It’s a two way street… If you prefer that people paid from city tax funds live in our city, do you also believe that people living and paying taxes in our city should be denied the opportunity of working or selling their goods and services in/to other jurisdictions?
 
kcantor said:
It’s a two way street… If you prefer that people paid from city tax funds live in our city, do you also believe that people living and paying taxes in our city should be denied the opportunity of working or selling their goods and services in/to other jurisdictions?
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That’s not really the same though. The equivalent would be Edmontonians working for tax funds from other municipalities. I’m not completely sure and it’s possible they don’t care, but I suspect the outlying municipalities place some level of priority on hiring their own residents over Edmontonians.
I don’t necessarily have an issue with people on the municipal payroll from outside of Edmonton if they’re doing something like street cleaning, snow clearing, leisure attendant, but I think personal investment in how the city is run is a helpful asset for the more involved jobs like police or administration. People from St Albert are inherently going to care less about the city and how it’s running.
 
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