The_Cat
Senior Member
We had some flights like Nashville and Phoenix, and those are all gone? What about the Canadian flights?
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Yeggy
Active Member
and federally regulated airspace. The game is rigged. I cant stress enough the affect this has.
Yeggy
Active Member
It is a win for Alberta.
Glenco
Senior Member
If we get new European flights it won’t be one from our domestic carriers.
yeggator
Senior Member
Lufthansa or Condor are likely candidates to revive YEG-FRA, but I wonder which European carrier would step up to bring a route to London? British Airways? Virgin Atlantic?
Yeggy
Active Member
I really want people to understand this isnt YEG lazyness, there are legislative hurdles put infron of us. Here is a link to the ATA’s we have with other countries. https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/transport-agreements
Look at Japan when we moved origin destinations from Edmonton to Calgary. Why was this done. The canada side did it. Why are some agreements limited to specific carriers but not to others. You cant blame YEG when the system is rotten, a system designed to protect AC and now WJ primarily. 2 companies who fet 75% of domestic travel.
We really need to open up our skies and allow for actual competition as our own competition bureau has found.
www.canada.ca
please also note they highlight the operating structure of our airports, how they are funded and associated fees as a barrier as well.
Look at Japan when we moved origin destinations from Edmonton to Calgary. Why was this done. The canada side did it. Why are some agreements limited to specific carriers but not to others. You cant blame YEG when the system is rotten, a system designed to protect AC and now WJ primarily. 2 companies who fet 75% of domestic travel.
We really need to open up our skies and allow for actual competition as our own competition bureau has found.
Competition Bureau makes recommendations to improve competition in Canada’s airline industry - Canada.ca
Increased competition would improve affordability, service, and choice for Canadians.
please also note they highlight the operating structure of our airports, how they are funded and associated fees as a barrier as well.
ABAviationFan
New Member
Stop making assumptions and being rude. I’ve been reading these pages for a very long time. I made on login id today to give a bit of my input. You don’t like it then shove off. You’re old man own this site??
blue12
Active Member
This is the self victimization I mentioned earlier - it seems to be about the fact that Calgary is doing well more so than the fact that Edmonton isn't.
YYC is a newer hub but it's no more artificial than the others. Westjet picked a city that didn't have crazy market dominance by Air Canada and it worked. Sometimes I feel like hating on Westjet's strategy that goes on here (and on other corners of the internet) is not rooted in the fact that it's a bad strategy, but just sourness that "my city" wasn't picked as said hub.
Every hub naturally takes traffic from other non-hub cities and reduces their chances of getting substantial services. That's how the hub and spoke model works and it's not going away any time soon. YEG's slow growth is not just the fault of WS or YYC but rather the entire Canadian airline industry which picked cities other than Edmonton to base their operations. I can say with confidence that if Westjet didn't exist, Edmonton would be no better off in terms of global connectivity than it is today. In fact it would probably be worse, as WS has Edmonton as a focus city and has given us a lot despite YEG not being a "hub". So when some of you blame WS and YYC for all of this, it's a nudging reminder that you have no idea how the industry actually operates and are just speaking from your hearts.
Not every airport is treated equal, that's the nature of the industry.... and unless one is willing to accept that, then you'll be stuck with "Calgary Derangement Syndrome" as yeggator said a few messages up.
I've said it before but I'll say it again, we'd all be doing ourselves a favour but not blowing up the YEG thread with outrage every time YYC gets good news. It feels desperate to say the least, and is frankly just not the point of this thread.
yeggator
Senior Member
I mean, I don’t blame WestJet for doubling down on the airport hub where they were founded. Nor do I blame them for basing all their intercontinental flights out of YYC - their 7 Dreamliners that they deployed in 2016, barely 20 years after they were founded, are doing some heavy lifting. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt that once their next order comes in, they’ll give us at least one (ideally two) intercontinental flights and I’ll be satisfied. Plus, more US connections when US politics turn around. But it stings that the airline industry is so uncompetitive in Canada that other major airlines have mostly abandoned us (namely AC).
I won’t defend WS to death either. When United added new routes to YEG, WS immediately launched flights to defend their turf that they no longer offer now. And most egregiously, they spawned a ULCC (also gone) when Flair expanded to undercut them and litigated them over foreign ownership rules. Everyone knew what they were doing in both cases. WestJet giveth, Westjet taketh away…
The_Cat
Senior Member
How much is enough for Edmonton? We’re approaching 5th place for population in Canada. We’re welcoming interprovincial and International migrants, who are growing our economy.
Whatup
Active Member
Edmonton has generally been run by socialists and unionists for the past 50 years who are not the most business friendly - Edmonton is generally a union town with "progressives" - Calgary has generally been run for the past 50 years by dynamic business focused people who embrace capitalism and corporate culture. This means Calgary has become a wealthier, more famous, more organized, more pragmatic business city with a real airport. Edmonton has people like Andrew Knack and Heather "Hamas" McPherson representing it - and therefore we get a bush league airport and a drug riddled downtown and massive socialist housing complexes destroying our legacy neighborhoods - or "areas of white privelage" as the progressive set call them. Same as it ever was.
Oilers99
Active Member
This x1000. Great post! Even though you’re going to get ripped to shreds by people who refuse to believe it’s true.
IanO
Superstar
It's another important option for Alberta and so a net positive and we should not be lamenting the fact that we are getting out-hustled.
What continues to impress me about Calgary is their business-minded, go gettr' attitude versus an improving, but still very much government town attitude here.
When you are comfortable, you sit back.
What continues to impress me about Calgary is their business-minded, go gettr' attitude versus an improving, but still very much government town attitude here.
When you are comfortable, you sit back.
EdmTrekker
Senior Member
"When you are comfortable, you sit back." sounds like a lazy ass view. The new flight WILL negatively impact KLM frequency at YEG as a big number of passengers on KLM are connecting in AMS - to India, Middle East, Africa. You can sit back and watch the ripple effect of the net positive gain you mention that it provides Edmonton metro.
MakeYEGGreatAgain
New Member
Too much supply will start to eat away from KL and the existing players even at YYC. You can bet that so much traffic to India/south Asia/ME will shift to EY (much better product and competitive pricing). it's not good news for YEG that's for sure!