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NicolBolas said:
What is the difference in urban development between the two countries? I'm not being snarky, just genuinely interested in your opinion on this.
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You know all those acreages south of Wye Road in Strathcona county? That’s basically what an average American suburb looks like. Way less dense, and way fewer commercial areas interspersed throughout. Comparing US suburbs to Canadians suburbs is like comparing all that country residential area in Strathcona County to Mill Woods/Meadows just across the 216.
 
fromyeg said:

Potential grant ($30,000 per unit) to build student housing downtown.
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Chuck that all in the Warehouse Area downtown pls, that’s 500 more possible units on top of what’s being planned and built.

We really went from “nobody’s building downtown” to thousands of possible units in the next 5 years due to incentives and other factors.

Could be the most underappreciated and under the radar rate of change for a downtown in Canada for the late 2020s if all goes well for us.
 
Kosy123 said:
Chuck that all in the Warehouse Area downtown pls, that’s 500 more possible units on top of what’s being planned and built.

We really went from “nobody’s building downtown” to thousands of possible units in the next 5 years due to incentives and other factors.

Could be the most underappreciated and under the radar rate of change for a downtown in Canada for the late 2020s if all goes well for us.
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Idk how were measuring rate of change, but I can think of equally/more substantial stuff happening in Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto in terms of total units added, revitalization of derelict areas, concentration of density, mega projects, new districts, etc.

This is encouraging, for sure. But doesn’t feel unique in any way. If anything, it still lags much of what is happening elsewhere.

Vancouver: west end has dozens of projects under construction or proposed to add thousands of units. Senakw development (south burrard) is almost done phase 1 of 1600 units on brownfield sites, with 6100 total units being added once completed. Broadway is seeing dozens of new projects, concord has unveiled 5000 homes for false creek north.

Calgary: twin tower proposal from Truman, 1500 new units from Cantiro, cidex, and multiple office conversions underway. BMO centre, Scotia Place, and Stampede Park is seeing tons of momentum. 900 units in the pipeline for east village.

Winnipeg: portage place redevelopment will be incredible, rail side by the forks is 10 new residential buildings, market lanes and The Bay conversion will add hundreds, southwood (uni, not downtown I guess) will add 20,000 people to a dense, walkable community next to the university.

Toronto: just so many projects. A half dozen supertalls, the new waterfront major redevelopment, regent park phase 4&5 will add 13 buildings 22-39 stories.
 
thommyjo said:
Idk how were measuring rate of change, but I can think of equally/more substantial stuff happening in Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto in terms of total units added, revitalization of derelict areas, concentration of density, mega projects, new districts, etc.

This is encouraging, for sure. But doesn’t feel unique in any way. If anything, it still lags much of what is happening elsewhere.

Vancouver: west end has dozens of projects under construction or proposed to add thousands of units. Senakw development (south burrard) is almost done phase 1 of 1600 units on brownfield sites, with 6100 total units being added once completed. Broadway is seeing dozens of new projects, concord has unveiled 5000 homes for false creek north.

Calgary: twin tower proposal from Truman, 1500 new units from Cantiro, cidex, and multiple office conversions underway. BMO centre, Scotia Place, and Stampede Park is seeing tons of momentum. 900 units in the pipeline for east village.

Winnipeg: portage place redevelopment will be incredible, rail side by the forks is 10 new residential buildings, market lanes and The Bay conversion will add hundreds, southwood (uni, not downtown I guess) will add 20,000 people to a dense, walkable community next to the university.

Toronto: just so many projects. A half dozen supertalls, the new waterfront major redevelopment, regent park phase 4&5 will add 13 buildings 22-39 stories.
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I think the point was the change from nothing to potentially a lot, not that we were going to have more construction than elsewhere, but an opportunity to put down our city seldom seems to be missed.

I feel a sense of inferiority is deeply embedded in some here. I also find the comparisons to much larger cities like TO and Vancouver generally rather pointless. Calgary and Winnipeg are more relevant, but unfortunately we don't have a downtown that as much of a centre of employment as most other major cities and seem indifferent to doing more. Then we seem to wonder why the number of people living downtown here has not grown much.
 
David A said:
I think the point was the change from nothing to potentially a lot, not that we were going to have more construction than elsewhere, but an opportunity to put down our city seldom seems to be missed.

I feel a sense of inferiority is deeply embedded in some here. I also find the comparisons to much larger cities like TO and Vancouver generally rather pointless. Calgary and Winnipeg are more relevant, but unfortunately we don't have a downtown that as much of a centre of employment as most other major cities and seem indifferent to doing more. Then we seem to wonder why the number of people living downtown here has not grown much.
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Yeah you got the gist of what I wanted to point out. I think all the other cities still have massive major projects that are immense in scale and units, but sort of expected. It’s not really a drastic change if the lower mainland gets another Brentwood.

But we have the weakest downtown of all the major CMAs and the most room for improvements that are much more visual and drastic when it comes to what came before and what public perception of it is.
 
Kosy123 said:
Yeah you got the gist of what I wanted to point out. I think all the other cities still have massive major projects that are immense in scale and units, but sort of expected. It’s not really a drastic change if the lower mainland gets another Brentwood.

But we have the weakest downtown of all the major CMAs and the most room for improvements that are much more visual and drastic when it comes to what came before and what public perception of it is.
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I’m excited by all the changes! Not trying to be a downer haha. Just not sure if we’re there yet:
Kosy123 said:
Could be the most underappreciated and under the radar rate of change for a downtown in Canada for the late 2020s if all goes well for us.
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Certainly some good progress. I think if I’ve district phase 2 was built in less than a decade and Stationlands as well, I would agree. But the scale of some of what’s happening elsewhere is still massive, even for those cities.
 
David A said:
I think the point was the change from nothing to potentially a lot, not that we were going to have more construction than elsewhere, but an opportunity to put down our city seldom seems to be missed.

I feel a sense of inferiority is deeply embedded in some here. I also find the comparisons to much larger cities like TO and Vancouver generally rather pointless. Calgary and Winnipeg are more relevant, but unfortunately we don't have a downtown that as much of a centre of employment as most other major cities and seem indifferent to doing more. Then we seem to wonder why the number of people living downtown here has not grown much.
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I think there's something a bit self-fulfilling about Edmontonians' attitude toward their city's own future. Like, don't go around telling people your city is bland and depressing if you want it not to be bland and depressing!
 
thommyjo said:
I’m excited by all the changes! Not trying to be a downer haha. Just not sure if we’re there yet:

Certainly some good progress. I think if I’ve district phase 2 was built in less than a decade and Stationlands as well, I would agree. But the scale of some of what’s happening elsewhere is still massive, even for those cities.
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Yeah haha we’re definitely not there yet but seeing the numbers that are being posted for possibilities (with subsidies now so it’s not just a pipe dream) is incredible because I don’t think other downtowns (maybe Calgary) are doubling if all goes well.

I’ll start popping the champagne once we get more than 3 cranes downtown at one time.
 
Kosy123 said:
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I’ll start popping the champagne once we get more than 3 cranes downtown at one time.
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At one point Edmonton had more tower cranes at work than any other city on the continent (there are several independent sites that track that).

We had three on the EPCOR Tower site alone (you can see them in my profile picture).
 
kcantor said:
At one point Edmonton had more tower cranes at work than any other city on the continent (there are several independent sites that track that).

We had three on the EPCOR Tower site alone (you can see them in my profile picture).
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Not quite, but we were holding our own; I believe we topped out at 33 or 37 city-wide. We even had t-shirts made up about 'the crane' being Edmonton's most common bird sighting or something.

Tor, NYC and SF were ahead (maybe a few others) but we were in the top 10 for sure.
 
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