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Markham is on the verge of legalizing Basement Apartments. To my knowledge no date has been set for a council vote on the issue but A public meeting is set for April 7th. See the link for info... http://www.markham.ca/MARKHAM/CCBS/...velopment Services/pl090303/Second Suites.htm

Markham has reversed gears and decided to scrap the idea of allowing basement apartments. The province has issued, in the past, policy statements encouraging development of accessory apartments. Markham may have basement apartments in 10% of the homes. I can't see how legalizing them would have a negative impact on the community.

May 19, 2009 11:57 AM

BY KEELY GRASSER

Council has decided to scrap an idea to legalize second suites in Markham, a plan they had been toying with for several years.
In a split vote this week, it turned down a resolution authorizing a public meeting on the possibility of legalizing the apartments, thus shelving the whole idea, according to Deputy Mayor Jack Heath, a member of a town sub-committee that looked into the matter.

"Philosophically, in principle, I'm saying we're not ready ... to get into the wholesale rejigging of communities by having homes retrofitted for a second suite when most bought into a single-family home," said Councillor Joseph Virgilio, who supported not legalizing the suites, often basement apartments.

10% already have one?

But Mr. Heath said he believes up to 10 per cent of Markham homes may already hold a second suite.

He is one of the members of council who supported legalizing and regulating them.

"This horse is out of the barnyard on it," he said, adding it's difficult to "bury your head in the sand ... when there's 3,500 to 7,000 of them in Markham."

Current rules, which will remain in force, are "extremely complicated," Mr. Heath said.

Second suites are generally not permitted in Markham, except where zoning permits them or where owners can prove the two-unit house was in existence before Nov. 16, 1995.

Mr. Heath explained that in the 1990s, the NDP provincial government passed a law enabling municipalities to permit second suites. The Progressive Conservative government that followed then repealed the legislation.

The newer law had a grandfathering clause allowing existing units to continue.

Owners of second suites in Markham must register their second suites with the town. Failure to do so can result in court action and a fine of up to $50,000.

Council has directed staff to continue with their current enforcement strategies and to take additional steps to educate residents about second suite rules.

Discussion about changing rules surrounding second suites can be traced back to 1999, Mr. Heath said.

In 2007, a town subcommittee was struck to look at a new strategy. Last spring, council brought the proposed strategy to the public for comment.

Staff then recommended council make changes to town law to legalize second suites, while setting out rules.

"Some (members of the public) were concerned about it and some felt we should go forward. Every public meeting we had, there were some in favour and some opposed," Mr. Heath said.

Concerns raised by residents through the public consultation process included safety and parking issues, strains put on services like schools and how the town will enforce the rules.

On the other hand, some community members said second suites provide affordable housing, supplement the owner's income and are good for the environment. It was also pointed out second suites will exist even if they are illegal.

Town staff reports outlined other benefits of second suites, saying they increase the rental housing supply and have less physical and visual impact than apartment buildings.

Legalizing second suites is an issue many York Region municipalities have examined. They are legal in Newmarket and East Gwillimbury. Aurora and Stouffville are currently looking into the matter. Vaughan and Richmond Hill are not.

Mr. Virgilio said Markham's not ready for second suites, yet.

"To me, it's not the time. The City of Toronto may have to do it. They're built out basically. They've gone (built) up. We haven't built up yet," he said.

He said the Markham Centre, which will include high-density housing like condos, is in the works, and will provide more affordable housing choices.
 
So is this issue dead in the water, or will there be any chance that it can be revived? I think people should be able to enhance their private property. I mean as long as a basement apartment done properly and safely, and they arent creating any outside impact like lots of cars parked on the street or even on the driveways. I dont see why people cant do what they want or need to do with their property. There are different family arrangements now with our diverse society and social structure, and people should have the freedom to live the way they want as long as its not having a negative impact on their neighbors. I mean a large family with a lot of adults each having their own cars would have a lot more negative impact on their neighbours then say an older couple renting a basement to a student, or a young couple with one baby making an inlaw suite for one of their parent who wishes to live with the couple but each with a bit more privacy.
 
True our family of 6 has 4 cars... (were bastards...)



The family across the street consists of an old couple and then a small immigrant family in the basement and they have only 1 car total.

The immigrant family well use Public Transit for everything all the here in Brampton, hard life.

I think though the immigrant family are on a good foot and will be able to slowly climb the ladder of wealth. My father started like that but he has said climbing the ladder is getting harder and harder for new immigrants. Before most could easily find any job and decent ones and know especially with the recession they are lucky to find one.
 
"The City of Toronto may have to do it," but the ideal spots for basement apartments or otherwise subdivided homes - all those 2-3 storey Victorianish houses in neighbourhoods along the subway - are currently and mostly filled with people who don't want them. Maybe things will change back a bit in 20-30 years.

People have speculated about the future of McMansions as multiple-family homes and I guess McMansions built for Italian families might be the easiest things to convert since they so often already have the second kitchen.
 
It would increase density for sure. And I am fairly sure that the changing ethnic mix in this city has already led in that direction. There may not be official basement apartments but there's a lot of communities where extended families stay together in one house. My Punjabi neighbours have 10 people staying in one house. They don't have an official basement apartment, just a kind of in-law suite down there that's used. I am guessing they share the kitchen and such. The city needs to catch up to these realities. They need to plan for higher densities among the McMansions and all that it entails. I think it'll happen over time.
 
Mr. Virgilio said Markham's not ready for second suites, yet.

"To me, it's not the time. The City of Toronto may have to do it. They're built out basically. They've gone (built) up. We haven't built up yet," he said.

He said the Markham Centre, which will include high-density housing like condos, is in the works, and will provide more affordable housing choices.

Like the same type of people who rent basements would/could buy condos (or vice versa). If they were building highrise rentals it might be a slightly different story, but they're not as far as I know.
 
It's not dead in the water in Markham.
Au contraire, the region's draft official plan encourages "second suites" and if that doesn't change before it's approved in the fall it could be an interesting flash-point.

http://www.york.ca/Departments/Plan...owth+Management/default+Growth+Management.htm

interesting. i wonder then given that regional draft plan, that the Markham council didnt forsee the conflict that would likely come up. maybe they will reverse themselves and blame it on the regional plan since the people who seems to have attended the meetings from what i read, deciding this issue was fairly split on the issue. anyways i looked at the first document in the links http://www.york.ca/NR/rdonlyres/27i...mtifeawfetzo6fmow7h/Draft+YR+OP+Staff+Rpt.pdf and couldnt find anything on second suites though :confused:
 
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