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They pay in other ways. Edmonton shouldn't have a "fortress" mindset.
Nah. This has been clearly studied. Exurbs are net losses to cities’ economies.

Especially in our context where there aren’t natural constraints like a Vancouver. Better someone lives in Walker (5mins north of Beaumont) than Beaumont in terms of taxes. How they use infrastructure is barely different.
 
Also municipalities around Edmonton and pretty much the rest of Alberta have clearly stated they dump their undesirables in Edmonton and will happily mooch off our finite resources if it benefits them. I totally understand and support Edmonton's fortress mentality. In fact, I would support checkpoints around our periphery where outsiders would need to pay a toll to enter.
 
Also municipalities around Edmonton and pretty much the rest of Alberta have clearly stated they dump their undesirables in Edmonton and will happily mooch off our finite resources if it benefits them. I totally understand and support Edmonton's fortress mentality. In fact, I would support checkpoints around our periphery where outsiders would need to pay a toll to enter.
The wording of "checkpoints" fans the flames of 15 minute city conspiracy crackpots. Toll roads for revenue is all the city needs. Just like people pay tolls for rail/bus transit, they should pay tolls for auto transit.
 
That would require setting up a whole new bureaucracy at the City level even if you had a non-manned toll scenario like EZpass. Wouldn't it be easier to apportion a gas tax/EV tax for the metropolitan area that is then afforded to each municipality in the metro area according to road usage -- same difference without the huge personnel infrastructure requirement. As to "undesirables" who is to say where they originate from -- that seems like a slippery slope on the road to authoritarianism and police-state thinking.
 
I welcome another bureaucracy to keep more Edmonton residents employed. AI will take out many jobs. We need to create more jobs for people.
 
There are literally hundreds of other ways to create jobs for people and there is always a nice balance between government employment and private sector employment, that ideal ratio being around 1 to 3.5; in Edmonton that ratio is about 1 to 4 so there is certainly room for a little more bureaucracy at the City Government level -- I would rather see that achieved through increased employment in socially productive sectors -- peace officers (highly trained in what I would call "first encounter" skills); social workers; psychologists, educators; infrastructure maintenance workers (landscapers, clean-up crews, etc.), and community service workers. Edmonton, like most Cities, likes to spend money on Capital-cost structures but less than adequate funds on operational and maintenance cost elements. Edmonton should begin to divest itself of land holdings thereby increasing its tax base and convert some (most) of those earnings to government hires. Out of interest and for comparison purposes only, the ratio in the U.S. of government to Private enterprise employment is about 1 to 6 and the population is generally underserved as compared to Canada (also some of the private sector is funded to a much larger extent than in Canada (healthcare for example).
 
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Well I still stand with my thought of the LRT being pushed right to the current edge of Edmonton and creating a Station with a big free gravel lot park near ride. Slowly but surely ridership will grow, eventually to the point that LRT becomes a necessity. That then is when Beaumont will be willing to share in cost to build a station within their jurisdiction. There will come a day when there will not be any separation between Edmonton and Beaumont. If the LRT is already there, then people will take the train, because it will be natural to be taking the train.
 
Also municipalities around Edmonton and pretty much the rest of Alberta have clearly stated they dump their undesirables in Edmonton and will happily mooch off our finite resources if it benefits them. I totally understand and support Edmonton's fortress mentality. In fact, I would support checkpoints around our periphery where outsiders would need to pay a toll to enter.
This sounds quite similar to the current tone coming out of the Oval Office with tariff wars and the like. I don’t think this is the way.
 
That would require setting up a whole new bureaucracy at the City level even if you had a non-manned toll scenario like EZpass. Wouldn't it be easier to apportion a gas tax/EV tax for the metropolitan area that is then afforded to each municipality in the metro area according to road usage -- same difference without the huge personnel infrastructure requirement. As to "undesirables" who is to say where they originate from -- that seems like a slippery slope on the road to authoritarianism and police-state thinking.
I do believe a mileage tax is one of the best ways to manage this. Vs tolls and other systems. If you drive a lot, pay more for roads. Same way we tax alcohol more.

We also need to look into options like land value taxes to help those in smaller footprint/higher density homes to pay less. Crazy that a 500k condo downtown has to pay the same as a 500k home in secord.

Helps ensure those who actually live and primarily work/shop in exurbs aren’t penalized as heavily too. It’s a minority, but there are some.
 
Just have to be aware and cautious of "double taxation" -- for example if there is a gas tax/EV tax in place road usage is already being accounted for -- I then don't think there needs to be an "odometer tax" on top of that. People who have a wind or solar energy system on their property may be able to escape an EV tax but I believe that is OK especially if excess power is going back into the grid. I also agree that a residential tax base could be based on square footage of ones living environment (without having to slice and dice it into an amenities comparison that leans into lifestyle choices). Suburban residential taxes could have two components -- one based on residence square footage and one based on lot size (I believe if these are separated and made obvious then there becomes an "awareness of structure" that delineates a social benefit factor. The easier that taxes are able to avoid bureaucratic pile-on the better.
 
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As the region grows, the communities around Edmonton will also and perhaps more so, because of more available land. We have to make it easier and encourage, not punish people to go to more central areas of the city, otherwise the donut effect which is noticeable and bad enough already here could become even worse. Making suburban people pay to go the city is cutting off our nose to spite our face.
 
Went to the Open House. There was a steady stream of people coming in when I walked in around 6. There were still trying to get more input for the master plan that will be released sometime this summer. Was told it will get released to cabinet first so public May or may not see it until fall/winter. People milling seemed genuinely positive to have passenger rail coming back.
 
Went to the Open House. There was a steady stream of people coming in when I walked in around 6. There were still trying to get more input for the master plan that will be released sometime this summer. Was told it will get released to cabinet first so public May or may not see it until fall/winter. People milling seemed genuinely positive to have passenger rail coming back.
My main takeaway from the open house: at this stage, they are quite open-minded and considering everything. Chatted with a few people from a consulting firm working with the government’s team running the project, and they’re very much “we’re looking at all the options right now,” including infrastructure that will be pricey. But that means things are far from set in stone for how this will materialize. Good chats though.
 
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Went to the Open House. There was a steady stream of people coming in when I walked in around 6. There were still trying to get more input for the master plan that will be released sometime this summer. Was told it will get released to cabinet first so public May or may not see it until fall/winter. People milling seemed genuinely positive to have passenger rail coming back.

Was there any info about a YEG central station and where that would be located?
 

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