I keep hearing people say the tower will be "252m" and "Only one meter taller than Stantec!"

Perhaps we should change the thread title to say either ">251m" or "?m" to avoid confusion.
 
Would still expect two more hotel properties, one attached to scotia place (boutique) and one mixed use midpricepoint on Stampede trail…. (hilton, doubletree, sheraton, delta, ect…). That sets the area up well
 
Surrealplaces said:
I would guess the number probably includes all segments, but there's no question that some luxury brands are needed. Like you pointed out, it's been a while since some higher end hotels have been built, though the Dorian falls into the upper scale type (Autograph), but not luxury. I'm not sure where the Residence Inn falls. Not luxury for sure, but maybe upper level?
I don't recall where I saw it, but I remember seeing that numbers for Calgary/Banff tourism have been rising faster than other markets for the past few years.
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Dorian is an Autograph, but its location isn't great for BMO Centre/Scotia Place. Residence Inn is a long stay hotel (full kitchen, many suites), and is a slightly different target market than these ones. The Calgary downtown one is in a nice building, but most of them are like the one by the airport and Seton.
 
Roaring Flames said:
From the CBC interview with the CEO of Truman, apparently the 4,500 number comes from the amount of visitors that are forced to use hotels outside of the city because of lack of vacancy
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How many of these people don't want to pay downtown hotel rates? The number is probably inflated to advocate for new hotel construction downtown. It's not like people aren't visiting Calgary because they can't find a place to stay.
 
kora said:
How many of these people don't want to pay downtown hotel rates? The number is probably inflated to advocate for new hotel construction downtown. It's not like people aren't visiting Calgary because they can't find a place to stay.
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I thought the lack of hotel rooms prevents the city from hosting larger scale events that require minimum number of rooms?
 
It's in the mayor's best interest to have 4500 more hotel rooms built in short order. I would guess the industry would have a very different opinion. It's more likely these three proposed hotels openings will cause other hotels to rebrand or close than just adding more high end rooms to the supply.

It's also in Truman's best interest to sell hotel rooms in short supply as this looks higher than the max 12 FAR.

These twins are actually shifting the balance in the skyline and not in a good way.
 
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maestro said:
It's in the mayor's best interest to have 4500 more hotel rooms built in short order. I would guess the industry would have a very different opinion. It's more likely these three proposed hotels openings will cause other hotels to rebrand or close than just adding more high end rooms to the supply.

It's also in Truman's best interest to sell hotel rooms in short supply as this looks higher than the max 12 FAR.

These twins are actually shifting the balance in the skyline and not in a good way.
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Honestly, as long as Cidex redesigns the podium on their Elbow River site, then their three towers will serve as a good drop-off in the skyline looking out from the East. Looking south from Macleod....well, you just gotta accept most of the Downtown core will eventually become hidden as more proposals above 150m get built in the beltline. I can't think of a skyline that's perfectly balanced on all four sides. However, I do think that if Cidex lowers its height on their 3 tower proposal, then these 2 towers would look oddly out of place.
 
kora said:
How many of these people don't want to pay downtown hotel rates? The number is probably inflated to advocate for new hotel construction downtown. It's not like people aren't visiting Calgary because they can't find a place to stay.
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Actually in June I had an entire tour group of 22 people who couldn't get a decent hotel in the city so they stayed an extra two nights in Banff during their tour around a province. Anecdotal, but still real and recent.
 
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kora said:
How many of these people don't want to pay downtown hotel rates? The number is probably inflated to advocate for new hotel construction downtown. It's not like people aren't visiting Calgary because they can't find a place to stay.
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How cost-effective is it to take an Uber into and out of downtown Calgary on top of hotel costs, all to avoid downtown rates? If I was a traveller staying in Calgary for something downtown related, it wouldn't sound very viable. Apart from these hotels which will be on the more expensive side, there are cheaper accommodation options downtown as well.

The Element Hotel conversion was just completed and the Hampton Inn is under construction, both downtown. Clearly, developers and institutional investors seem to believe there is demand for further hotel construction.
 
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New mid range hotels aren't going to disrupt the high end but new high end hotels could disrupt mid range hotels with existing high end hotels rebranding themselves. The prices for a hotel room are crazy high. That can be summarized as a lack of competitive supply. However, these investors are adjusted to these crazy high prices. It's within reason another International Hotel closure could happen in the next few years . That only increases if these 750 high end hotel open in by 2032.

More skyscrapers will be needed in Victoria Park. The tallest outside the core and still within visible range of the core is a skyline disruptor. The new towers overpower the existing core skyline in the rendering created by CTRLALTDEL. Truman angles are better however, these new towers still diminish the scale of the core by their overpowering presence. Twin towers vs a lone tower has an exponential effect as twin towers still do not make a skyline onto themselves.
 
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