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Or we could back to the old way of a developer buying land, servicing it then building a tract of homes (or a block of townhouses, whatever) and then selling them. I don't recall a lot of subdivisions and buildings built in the 50s, 60s and 70s going unsold. Much of the financing and risk has been shifted to the consumer.
 
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40 years? That’s nuts.


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Presumably you’re in your mid 30s or early 40s when you buy a house, meaning you’re in your mid 70s to early 80s when you pay off the house? So, you’re essentially in debt for life. Doesn‘t allowing such long terms cause pricing inflation and contribute to possible bubbles? If the govt only allowed 25 year mortgages wouldn’t this limit prices, since the market only has so much money?

I’m in my 50s, I can’t imagine having a mortgage now, let alone after I retire. I’m focused on squirrelling away money for retirement, home repairs and vacations.
 
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What generally happens to single family detached properties around Yonge street new high rise buildings and on Sheppard as well? Do they usually appreciate or depreciate in value?
Is there a risk of getting into land assembly and hence people don't want to buy those properties?
 
Presumably you’re in your mid 30s or early 40s when you buy a house, meaning you’re in your mid 70s to early 80s when you pay off the house? So, you’re essentially in debt for life. Doesn‘t allowing such long terms cause pricing inflation and contribute to possible bubbles? If the govt only allowed 25 year mortgages wouldn’t this limit prices, since the market only has so much money?
To be fair, these long amortizations are because we're seeing historically high interest rates. There's about zero chance that interest rates will remain as they are for the next 40 years, and as interest rates go back to normal, so will amortizations.
 
To be fair, these long amortizations are because we're seeing historically high interest rates. There's about zero chance that interest rates will remain as they are for the next 40 years, and as interest rates go back to normal, so will amortizations.
Interest rates aren't historically high. They're quite low by historic standards. The last decade of almost free money was the exception, not the rule.
 
What generally happens to single family detached properties around Yonge street new high rise buildings and on Sheppard as well? Do they usually appreciate or depreciate in value?
Is there a risk of getting into land assembly and hence people don't want to buy those properties?
Anyone has done any calculation on this?
Or does everyone think there is no effect?
 
40 years? That’s nuts.


Paywall free: https://archive.is/JRmxX

Presumably you’re in your mid 30s or early 40s when you buy a house, meaning you’re in your mid 70s to early 80s when you pay off the house? So, you’re essentially in debt for life. Doesn‘t allowing such long terms cause pricing inflation and contribute to possible bubbles? If the govt only allowed 25 year mortgages wouldn’t this limit prices, since the market only has so much money?

I’m in my 50s, I can’t imagine having a mortgage now, let alone after I retire. I’m focused on squirrelling away money for retirement, home repairs and vacations.

My parents were both around 50 when they paid the house off 20 years ago. The house is now worth 1,9 million as of 2022. Crazy, it was built as a middle class starter home in the 1960s.
 
What generally happens to single family detached properties around Yonge street new high rise buildings and on Sheppard as well? Do they usually appreciate or depreciate in value?
Is there a risk of getting into land assembly and hence people don't want to buy those properties?
sometimes things don't work out well for those that don't sell those houses around high rise buildings , just watch this
 
My parents were both around 50 when they paid the house off 20 years ago. The house is now worth 1,9 million as of 2022. Crazy, it was built as a middle class starter home in the 1960s.
It's really quite disturbing how wealthy anyone has become simply by buying real estate in Toronto prior to seven or eight years ago.
 
@Admiral Beez It's called "extend and pretend." The banks are allowing longer amortizations to avoid the bubble popping; too many distressed sales lower prices. At the same time, the Feds released Guidance in their budget encouraging FRFIs to help "keep Canadians in their homes." Everyone now has a perverse incentive to keep things going.

@Samwan low interest rates and excessive immigration have driven prices upward. Zoning, politics and construction costs also played a role.

Unless the government is expropriating you, nobody can force you to be part of an assembly. The property is yours to sell or hold. This results in humorous situations where a 1-2 story detached house has massive towers right next to it. There should be a few examples of houses like this near Yonge and Eglinton and other newly densifying areas.

Having a tower right next to your house likely makes it less appealing to someone who wants the light and space which come with a detached. It also loses its value in developers' eyes if existing towers prevent redevelopment.

However, we've pumped so much money into the economy, and continue pumping so many people into the country, that those values likely aren't likely to drop in the near term.

@gabe I once looked into the numbers behind this. If I remember correctly, the average price to income ratio in the 60s was 4-5. The average industrial job paid $4-5,000 a year. New detacheds in what's today the outer 416 were going for $20,000.

Today, that ratio is 27: $1.8m for the average detached versus $65,000 average individual Toronto income. And the old 5x ratio doesn't get you even a studio anywhere in the 416.
 
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