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innsertnamehere said:
Thus the qualification about getting a slot from CN. Given how many slots CN gives GO east of Bayview Junction though and elsewhere on their networks, I really struggle to believe GO couldn't secure a few rush-hour slots on the line.
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The interference between slow (freight) and fast (passemger) trains compounds with the distance over which the tracks are shared. Sharing three tracks over 4 miles between Burlington East (MP 32) and Bayview (MP 37) with 3 tracks on flat terrain is a completely different beast than sharing the first 23 miles (to Brantford) of the Dundas Subdivision or its entirety (78 miles to London) of a double-tracked corridor with a severe slope at its beginning.

As I said: it‘s worth asking CN questions, but you most likely won‘t like the answers they will provide…
 
Considering that GO had to build a third track from Burlington West to Bayview to get its trains to Hamilton without impairing CN freight traffic up the Dundas line..... I really doubt that CN would welcome service to Brantford. (Which GO did study once upon a time, btw).

Could CN offer GO a slot or two ? Probably. Just be prepared for that GO train to creep up the escarpment at 20 mph following behind a heavy freight train that started west a half hour earlier.

- Paul
 
All this talk of the multiple stops to the West of Toronto makes me wonder if any of them will be part of a west HSR. To the NW we have Pearson and Kitchener. To the SW we have Hamilton and Bantford. If we look at ALTO's plan as a guide of what may happen, there is no stop between Ottawa and Montreal. So,the want of many stops between Toronto and London may just see one at Pearson. But, with the fact that neither of the airports in Montreal or Ottawa will be served by ALTO, maybe there will not be any intermediate stops. A lot of people want ALTO to be everything for everyone, but that is not the point of HSR. It cannot be fast if it stops multiple times.
 
innsertnamehere said:
Thus the qualification about getting a slot from CN. Given how many slots CN gives GO east of Bayview Junction though and elsewhere on their networks, I really struggle to believe GO couldn't secure a few rush-hour slots on the line.

Getting robust all-day service, yes, that opens a whole other can of worms..
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I agree GO could get some slots. I wouldn’t hate if they took VIAs, though; despite the challenge for beyond Brantford, a viable service \= VIA getting delayed even more bc a prior delay cascaded into a new valley conflict. GO trains wouldn’t be nearly as off-schedule as a VIA from Woodstock, so the slots might actually mean something.

Now, this shouldn’t determine much… but as ‘step 2’, the Dundas Sub (in the valley) may have room to put 1 additional track for some or most of the run. GO might need (and prefer) only passing tracks, but intercity might need a bit more per greater delay exposure.
 
The "travel times today" part is such BS and part of the problem with getting any sort of HFR/HSR project funded and built.

530h Toronto to Montreal? Yeah one of the trains per day, IF you're lucky.

The average is more like 6.5h after freight delays etc.
 
crs1026 said:
Presentation to Toronto Executive Committee


- Paul
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From the above: (select slides based on saying something of use/interest, one way or the other, presented in the same order as the deck)

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* note here, Michael Sabia was just hired as the Clerk of the Privy Council which you could think of as the CEO of the Federal Bureaucracy while immediately poached from Hydro Quebec, he was the former head of the Caisse and by extension CDPQ Infra.

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does anyone have that timeline found awhile back for the development phase? like the 3 phases?
 
generalcanada said:
does anyone have that timeline found awhile back for the development phase? like the 3 phases?
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I think it came up in the Q and A with Councillors this week when Alto presented to Executive Commitee. So you can watch this video for the response. Deck was posted previously here.

 
From the podcast,

On the Public-Private partnership aspect, Alto (public) holds the lead on some key elements like Governance, Project Management, and Community Engagement.

5 year co-development phase. That's the longest they'd want to do it, trying to cut that down as quickly as possible but not cutting corners.

What to expect next,
  • Fall: Start having meaningful stakeholder consultations across the corridor
  • Winter: First wave of public consultation in communities across the corridor
 
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