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Gasoline. Improved efficiency gas-powered vehicles.

Where does electricity come from? Hydro/coal/nuclear/wind is not environmentally friendly.

Eventually, the goal is compressed air cars that are safe to drive.
 
If you want style, the Tesla Roadster should please. It's an electric two seater based off a Lotus Elise with a range of 360 kilometres. It performs well too, with a 0-100 acceleration time in under 4 seconds with a top speed of 200 kilometres per hour. They were supposed to go into production in March, but there's a transmission issue.

They can break the bank though at around a hundred thousand dollars :p.
 
Not on our roads

May 1st 2008 | MONTREAL
From The Economist print edition
Bureaucrats against electric cars, and progress


IN THESE times of high petrol prices and worries about climate change, you might think that any country would be proud to enjoy a lead in manufacturing electric cars. Not Canada, it seems. Two Canadian companies, ZENN Motor Company and Dynasty Electric Car, make small electric cars designed for city use; a third, which will use new battery technology developed by Exxon Mobil, plans to launch a model later this year.
But almost all these “low-speed vehicles” (or LSVs) are exported to the United States because Canada refuses to allow their use on public roads. Transport Canada, the regulatory agency, questions their safety. It doubts they would stand up in a collision with a delivery truck or a sport utility vehicle. Officials say they crash-tested one which didn't fare well, though they refuse to release the data. The agency wants LSVs confined to “controlled areas”, such as university campuses, military bases, parks and Canada's few gated communities. Its advice has carried weight with the provinces, which make the rules of the road.
It is true that the cars are made from lightweight metals and plastics. But the manufacturers allege political bias: Stephen Harper's conservative government has much support in oil-rich Alberta. Backed by thousands of would-be buyers, they are campaigning to reverse the agency's decision. “It's a ludicrous regulatory situation. All you can point to is oil and the big guys and think there's a conspiracy somewhere,” says Danny Epp of Dynasty.
Mr Epp reckons that his car should be allowed on urban streets with speed limits of around 50kph (30mph) or less. But Dynasty recently gave up the battle. In March it announced that it is being bought by a Pakistani firm, which will move production to Karachi and export to the United States from there.
ZENN—that stands for zero emission, no noise—promises to fight on. Ian Clifford, its boss, points out that there has not been a single death related to LSVs in the United States, where 44 states allow them and some 45,000 such cars are in use. And gas-guzzlers imperil public safety by polluting the air, he notes. But Mr Clifford is not expecting change soon. He claims that his campaign against Transport Canada has made him enemies. “Two senior, entrenched bureaucrats have told me personally that if it is the last thing they do, they'll keep LSVs off the road in Canada,” he says.
Two steps forward, Three steps back.
 
I wonder why our own media and the NDP are going so soft (or are staying mostly silent) about this.

When gas prices jump 5 cents that's all you hear about.

I was shaking my head in disbelief when I saw the spectacle yesterday on Breakfast Television with folks lined up like desperate ducks at the pond when a gas station slashed its prices for a few hours. So very sad.
 
I wish the government would release crash test results for these. It'd be interesting to see if they're as flimsy as the gov insists.
 
They are very flimsy. If you've seen Smart car crash test results on Youtube (they're scary but for a small car, quite good) then picture a crappily engineered toy car being destroyed. Zenn picked the wrong car and in fact, their business model just sucks. Fine for the golf course or Old Montreal streets, but when on freeways, utterly frightening.

And of course the NDP is in business to protect union jobs--CAW basically props the dated party ideals up and with all those jobs in Oshawa, Windser etc you can rightly understand why gov't isn't too impressed by Zenn.

Finally, the entire gas price scare/boost is a media-driven stunt. Hedgefunds are behind the scheme....

Fwiw, Toyota's next generation Prius (due January 2009) is becoming a brand, with at least 3 different varients--hatchback, SUV, and sedan. Won't that make the anti-suv crowd shiver?
 
What happens during the summer though, when the coal plants kick in? You'll in effect be driving a coal powered car. Throughout the rest of the year, you're driving a nuclear powered car, which I guess isn't as bad.

I think that for city driving, you can't beat a highly efficient hybrid in terms of least environmental impact. I'd hate to see Nanticoke operating at full capacity all year round thanks to these "environmentally friendly" electric cars.
 
Gasoline. Improved efficiency gas-powered vehicles.

Where does electricity come from? Hydro/coal/nuclear/wind is not environmentally friendly.

Eventually, the goal is compressed air cars that are safe to drive.


I disagree. One of the major advantages of plug in electric cars is that they allow for a much higher utilization of current electricity generation. Nuclear and Hydro production does not scale well over demand periods. Using a greater amount for over night charging is a good way to use off hour excess capacity.
 
Glen makes a good point. The way in which we use energy is very inefficient. We have to have a huge supply reserve to service peak usage points that only occur for a fraction of the year. Also, we use oil because it is convenient cheap and portable. The petroleum we burn as transporation fuel could very well have taken more energy to produce than it actually provides our vehicles. Take into account vehicle emmissions themselves and ultimately it doesn't matter if the electric power driving your electric car comes from coal power generating plants, it's still potentially better than the current oil fuel status quo.
 
Gasoline. Improved efficiency gas-powered vehicles.

Where does electricity come from? Hydro/coal/nuclear/wind is not environmentally friendly.

Eventually, the goal is compressed air cars that are safe to drive.


yes, gasoline cars will be around for a long time, but a very viable alternative is the electric car. The gas-electric hybrid will grow ever more popular, and will also drive efficiencies in battery technology. An added benefit is that the electrical infrastructure is already built.

It's clear from your quote that you think all sources of electricity are not environmentally friendly. Sure, hydro power requires the flooding of land, but nature does that far more efficiently than we do. Nuclear, when managed efficiently, is very safe and reliable, and the technology has been greatly improved. A coal plant using high quality coal and fitted with the latest scrubbing technologies has extremely low emissions. The big fears (if you have them) over coal revolve around carbon dioxide emissions. Natural gas is a relatively low emitter of carbon dioxide. Wind power is presently inefficient for very large-scale production of low cost electricity, and its environmental "threat" is to birds and bats. Nevertheless, wind power can be quite useful for small or localized electrical production where the cost of transmission from conventional sources would drive up price. Solar power has an immense untapped potential as a source of electricity. In the long run, improvements in the transmission and storage of electric current will offer up ever greater efficiencies from all sources. Electricity will be around after gasoline falls out of use. You can bet on it.
 
so much for the nay-sayers. anything has got to be an improvement over the status quo. lets just not sit on our hands... lets experiment, make progress, find efficiencies etc. The fact that governments and bureaucrats are putting up road blocks has got to tell you something. Other than the fact that politicians are beholden to corporations, it also tells us that the efficiencies in alternate fuel vehicles means reduced consumption of fossil fuels. And yes the first generation ZENN is only an around town car and is marketed as such: a low speed vehicle. For the existing model there is no danger in experiencing a highway crash because it is not intended for that kind of travel.

as an interesting coincidence, a friend just recommended the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car?" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/ looking forward to checking it out...
 
What happens during the summer?

Was wondering this as well. How much of a strain would this have on our power grids if we're all charging our cars and sleeping with our air conditioners on? (Not that this is a good argument against the electric car).

a friend just recommended the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car?" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/ looking forward to checking it out...

I've seen this doc twice. It's an absolute must-see for an eye-opening look at how big business can and will triumph over logic.

The Zenn car is Canada's chance to change that track record and literally revolutionize the roads.

I feel for the autoworkers and everyone linked to oil who will lose their jobs over the transition, but I don't feel for any of the automakers. They've got no one to blame but their greedy selves.

And in the big picture of things, what happens when we suddenly don't need gasoline for our vehicles? There will be a MAJOR shift in the balance of power in the world.

Here's hoping we see it start to take shape in the next couple of years. It's more than possible. An electric car that goes 125km/h for under $15,000? No emissions? No more gas stations? On the market in just over a year? Bring it on!
 
I want to see this battery that can be recharged in 5 minutes.

Using a normal home plug would take much longer. Specially designed electrical hookups would be needed for 5 minute charging. It's also not a battery, but a large ultracapacitor.

I have my doubts about EEStor's claims. If true, it would be revolutionary.
 

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