Northern Light said:
Not one of your better takes PE.

If people have no hopes, no dreams, no expectations and don't trust a single developer to deliver on their vision, at some point, you won't have a job, because people will be that angry, the industry will be shut down.

You need to be people to believe in those you do business with, to trust them, to hope that they will engage in city-building and most particularly, when they seem to promise to do so, that they will live up to that.

Sure, that's naive.....we both know better, as do many here..........

But if we reduce this City to everyone being cynical and thinking everyone else is a worthless, lying so and so.........

Well, that's not the City I want to live in.........

The problem is not people's expectations...........I would argue they aren't high enough.........

The problem is the people in the industry that fail to meet expectations, which I would describe as generously low.
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Well said. I want to be proud of our city :(

UtakataNoAnnex said:
I think it was more the non sequitur derail towards the end of the quoted laments as oppose to the laments themselves that set that reply off. I know it left me scratching my head a bit. >.<
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Side note - I actually needed to look up what sequitur means lol....
 
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Join us for a Community Consultation Meeting to learn more about the Zoning By-law amendment application for a proposed development at 315-325 Front Street West. The application proposes a mixed-use development with four buildings including three residential buildings and one office building. A total Gross Floor Area of 291,191 square metres is proposed including 144,237 square metres of non-residential floor area and 1,793 dwelling units. A childcare centre is also proposed. The development is proposed to be constructed in three phases including:

Phase 1 – two residential towers with proposed heights of 50 storeys (168 metres)
Phase 2 – one residential tower with a proposed height of 71 storeys (235 metres)
Phase 3 – one office tower with a proposed height of 60 storeys (278 metres)
The application proposes changes to a previously approved development on the site.
 
C-mac said:
This project went from gorgeous to out right bad.
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Tyrang said:
Main tower is still nice, but they really downgraded the other towers. I wish they could kept the original residential tower design and just make a bigger one to replace the canceled office tower. And I want the podium garden and rail park back...
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You'd prefer it doesn't happen at all?
 
ProjectEnd said:
They didn't "hype the market up" on anything, dude.
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Uh, PE....with respect, they released renders/early marketing materials the whole point of which is to generate market anticipation and potential sales/tenancies. That is pretty much the definition of hype. Nothing wrong w/that by the way. It's pro-forma Marketing 101. But it is what it is.

ProjectEnd said:
It's Oxford's project to do whatever they like with.
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I don't believe the poster suggested otherwise. He expressed a design preference. That's all. You do that all the time too, as so we all.
 
Tyrang said:
Main tower is still nice, but they really downgraded the other towers. I wish they could kept the original residential tower design and just make a bigger one to replace the canceled office tower. And I want the podium garden and rail park back...
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Yeah I mean I think I over shot it with saying it was bad, but when you compare the old rendering and the new one it's just such a let down. Did the main tower change? In some renderings it looks the same and some it looks different.
 
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Game changer whatever that means.

I don't care Oxford dropped the twin. Twin super high rise featured office towers in a broader mixed use mega development is kinda played out. The problem is it still has the look of a Chinese mega development with less feature and more filler.
 
Northern Light said:
Uh, PE....with respect, they released renders/early marketing materials the whole point of which is to generate market anticipation and potential sales/tenancies. That is pretty much the definition of hype. Nothing wrong w/that by the way. Its pro-forma Marketing 101. But it is what it is.



I don't believe the poster suggested otherwise. He expressed a design preference. That's all. You do that all the time too, as so we all.
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Zoning materials aren't marketing materials - this project (in any incarnation) was never brought forward to market. Also, did anything happen globally since this was initially publicized? Is it @Tyrang's contention that real estate value in Toronto continues to rise unabated?
 
ProjectEnd said:
Zoning materials aren't marketing materials - this project (in any incarnation) was never brought forward to market. Also, did anything happen globally since this was initially publicized? Is it @Tyrang's contention that real estate value in Toronto continues to rise unabated?
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With respect, I am pretty sure most members in this community knows where the real estate market value is heading. This is a re-adjustment timeframe between both the market price, demand, and cost to build - I am not very knowledgeable but I am aware enough. And I understand and even accept that we will see some re-planning, after all, some re-planning will happen without market shifts.

But I see nothing wrong in voicing our displeasure - especially as someone who wants to see these developments happening.

As a consumer, the best way we can hold the developers accountable in the free market is through our wallet and our voice. The last thing we want, is to normalize overpromise and under-deliver. If no one voice displeasure, we are not going to get quality. We are then going to get just a lot of Gupta projects in Toronto.

As a Torontonian and some who wants to see her develops into a world-class city, why would we be happy with any degrades, even if I were to accept it? They can redo their design, we will push back and challenge them, and they might be able to give us better product. I hate it when people complains about the banal Toronto skyscapes - why is it ok for us to settle?

At a personal level, if your partner told you that you are going to Hawaii, only to end up in Grand Bend, you will be disappointed too (No offence to Grand Bend).

So yea, Oxford can do what they want, I will voice what I can.
 
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