[Bordercollie]

Tender is out:

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If they had their ducks in a row they should have sent this out 6 months ago.

 

[Northern Light]

If they had their ducks in a row they should have sent this out 6 months ago.

You're really big on telling everyone else how to do their jobs and demanding people be fired but you seem to have little understanding of what's involved in those same jobs and why things happen the way they do.

I don't mean that to be insulting but observational. Perhaps, as a suggestion, you might do more reading and ask a few more questions before making emphatic statements that have as their only virtue, inaccuracy.

 

[nfitz]

If they had their ducks in a row they should have sent this out 6 months ago.

If they had their ducks in a row,, the tender should have gone out in early 2023, so that they could start serious work, the day after Line 3 closed permanently.

Though if they hadn't completely ducked this up in the first place, the Line 2 extension would have opened the same day that Line 3 closed.

You're really big on telling everyone else how to do their jobs and demanding people be fired but you seem to have little understanding of what's involved in those same jobs and why things happen the way they do.

I don't know why you are defending them delaying the replacement/upgrade of the SRT for decades, to the point it was forced to close before an alternative was ready.

TTC and the city messed this up back in 2006. There was plenty of time to have a solution in place so that there wasn't a decade of busification..

 

[Northern Light]

If they had their ducks in a row,, the tender should have gone out in early 2023, so that they could start serious work, the day after Line 3 closed permanently.

Though if they hadn't completely ducked this up in the first place, the Line 2 extension would have opened the same day that Line 3 closed.

There's some conflation here.

The decision to flip/flop endlessly on the SRT replacement strategy was political, not bureaucratic.

Sure, having decided to build the subway, you'd like the busway work lined up for an SRT closure.......

But the SRT could have made it to 2026 with proper maintenance (probably later); arguably it was a bureaucratic choice, ultimately made by former TTC CEO Rick Leary to put insufficient resources into that and to support early closure; though that too was voted on by pols.

It was pols who didn't decide there would be a busway until the last 18 months and didn't fund the requisite work til more recently than that.

The TTC is now under a different CEO, though some of the former senior staff remain............ for now.

But I think the whole 'ducks in a row' thing is a bit revisionary in terms of where responsibility lies.

I would argue what should have happened is that we ought to have settled on a subway a decade earlier.....and had the thing built and open before the SRT closed.

The list of pols, local, provincial and federal who contributed to that mess is quite lengthy.....

 

[nfitz]

The decision to flip/flop endlessness on the SRT replacement strategy was political, not bureaucratic.

No one here blamed the bureaucracy. Obviously it was political. I don't know why giving them cover.

 

[bearcat]

I saw these on Steve Munro's site.

With the high planned frequency of buses here there would be riders arriving constantly (or am I wrong?). Do you guys think the pedestrian crossings across the busway will cause any issues with endless stream of pedestrians crossing in front of the bus and delaying the buses? The buses will presumably have to yield and the TTC will implement a ridiculously low speed limit close to the stations.

Perhaps there will traffic lights at these pedestrian crossings?

 

[TOtramz]

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I saw these on Steve Munro's site.

With the high planned frequency of buses here there would be riders arriving constantly (or am I wrong?). Do you guys think the pedestrian crossings across the busway will cause any issues with endless stream of pedestrians crossing in from of the bus and delaying the buses? The buses will presumably have to yield and the TTC will implement a ridiculously low speed limit close to the stations.

Perhaps there will traffic lights at these pedestrian crossings?

Seems like a recipe for disaster. I think they should build some kind of underpass or something, but that might be too much for a temporary bus way

 

[nfitz]

Seems like a recipe for disaster. I think they should build some kind of underpass or something, but that might be too much for a temporary bus way

Surely this is a lot safer than, say, Victoria Park, where you have to cross 4-lanes of busy live traffic without signals to get to your bus stop.

The buses would be much less frequent than cars. And there's only 2 lanes to worry about.

Sounds like a recipe for extra $ and delays.

 

[bearcat]

Surely this is a lot safer than, say, Victoria Park, where you have to cross 4-lanes of busy live traffic without signals to get to your bus stop.

The buses would be much less frequent than cars. And there's only 2 lanes to worry about.

Sounds like a recipe for extra $ and delays.

Pedestrian safety is not the issue I am worried about, rather the delay to the buses from having to wait for people to cross. I guess if most passengers are expected to just go from Kennedy to STC and there isn't an expectation for a lot of passenger to use the above stops it's not really a problem. I don't know the predictions for passenger volumes at the intermediate stops.

 

[TOtramz]

Pedestrian safety is not the issue I am worried about, rather the delay to the buses from having to wait for people to cross. I guess if most passengers are expected to just go from Kennedy to STC and there isn't an expectation for a lot of passenger to use the above stops it's not really a problem. I don't know the predictions for passenger volumes at the intermediate stops.

No longer than a train coming to a stop at every station. This is assuming a lot of people use intermediate stations.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

Pedestrian safety is not the issue I am worried about, rather the delay to the buses from having to wait for people to cross. I guess if most passengers are expected to just go from Kennedy to STC and there isn't an expectation for a lot of passenger to use the above stops it's not really a problem. I don't know the predictions for passenger volumes at the intermediate stops.

Just throw up some of these:

 

[bearcat]

Just throw up some of these:
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I have a feeling in the name of safety the TTC will put a stop sign facing the bus so the busses have to yield. We will see. So even late at night when no one is using the stop the bus will have to slow down and stop there. Not a huge deal, and certainly the cost of a tunnel or bridge to address this is prohibitive.

I am likely making a bigger deal out of this than it will be.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

I have a feeling in the name of safety the TTC will put a stop sign facing the bus so the busses have to yield. We will see. So even late at night when no one is using the stop the bus will have to slow down and stop there. Not a huge deal, and certainly the cost of a tunnel or bridge to address this is prohibitive.

There really shouldn’t be safety concerns, it’s at the start of acceleration or end of deceleration for vehicles and with no obstructions to driver or pedestrian views. Lighting and the above signs should be sufficient.

Maybe also an explicit 10-20km/h sign for deadheading and service vehicles.

 

[bearcat]

There really shouldn’t be safety concerns, it’s at the start of acceleration or end of deceleration for vehicles and with no obstructions to driver or pedestrian views. Lighting and the above signs should be sufficient.

Yes, I agree. But I just have a gut feeling that's not how it will be implemented.

 

[yurt2022]

Anyone know whats going on with this project? Any photos?