Mihairokov
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I actually find streetcars to be generally pretty clean all things considered. Managed to ride a brand new car the other day so that was cheating a bit.
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nfitz
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The streetcars aren't terrible - but the bum living on the back seat could do with the occasional wash at the terminals.I actually find streetcars to be generally pretty clean all things considered. Managed to ride a brand new car the other day so that was cheating a bit.
Mihairokov
Active Member
Does it make you feel better posting about the less fortunate in this way?
I haven't noticed anything substantially different at Dundas. Maybe it's a bit more orderly than usual? Usually it's crammed with people and i'm just doing my best to exit asap. Seem to recall noticing cleaning staff at the station regularly.
nfitz
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Less fortunate or not, the smell of crack from the back of the streetcar IS NOT CLEAN. I'm really surprised that the cleaniness is being rated higher than 2019, given the utter mess that is often present at the back of the car. And that's at the best of times - there's also the occasions when I've seen people urinating on the back door ... from inside.
Less fortunate ... they seem to be very fortunate that the TTC no longer enforces any of it's bylaws - except when the non-homeless don't pay their fare (from which the homeless are exempt).
Yeah, perhaps that sounds harsh - but the TTC shouldn't be running an alternate shelter system. Do you think @Mihairokov that Ikea should are letting homeless people sleep in their showroom? Do you criticize them?
T3G
Senior Member
I think even the 510 is fairly disreputable, just on account of the sheer level of passenger turn over.
509, maybe. But that stock can run on another route the next day, so even then it's swings and roundabouts. Or the 508
kotsy
Senior Member
cplchanb
Senior Member
part of the game is trying to find where you put your watermark signature
RapidTransit
Active Member
1000% agree.
There needs to be a strong arm to get them off the system.
If they assault me even the police will have me second guessing if I should go through with the charge. But if I hit them, the whole city will be up my ass about hitting a homeless person.
Not sure why there's a tolerance for them on public transit. Too many legitimate vulnerable members of society that feel uncomfortable when they're making a home for themselves on the streetcars. And they pretty much smile at you knowing they can get away with it.
There was a time when I was more tolerant of them, maybe beacsuse it wasn't such a major issue. The off one or two. Now it's like every corner of the system as them. To the point where TTC had shelter buses, really encouraging them in the system.
RapidTransit
Active Member
Yea it was a bad design, but I'll actually miss it. Just the nostalgia of it.
kvvoyage
New Member
I've been commuting daily on Line 2 between Victoria Park and Kennedy since September 2024, and I've realised the time it takes to complete this trip has gotten gradually longer. 10 minutes used to be more than enough for me to get there and make my surface connection, but for the 3 weeks or so it's been around 15 and even 20 once.
Is there any specific reason for this other than the recent RSZ (I assume there are physical constraints to speeding up the turnaround at Kennedy)?
Is there any specific reason for this other than the recent RSZ (I assume there are physical constraints to speeding up the turnaround at Kennedy)?
Mr.Tang
Active Member
Chiming in - for me, this is the biggest issue on the TTC. We spend a lot of time debating expansion dreams and all that - but I just want to get on the subway an not face mental health concerns pretty much every time I ride (which is at least twice a day every day). I am not sure where a better place is - presumably a shelter -but I can not believe the next best place for them is in a metal container hurtling under the ground with a trapped group of innocent bystanders. Metal containers that are integral to a system that millions of citizens depend on for daily life...
drum118
Superstar
Sadly, its the norm these days for most NA systems. Some US systems are worse than TTC. You see it in Europe as well, but not as bad as NA and not on every system from what we saw in 2012 and 2022.
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
In Ottawa, it's not so much a problem on the trains.and buses, I mean they are there but they aren't usually really bothering anyone.
However they keep wrecking the washrooms in terminal stations, meaning they are almost perpetually closed (or really any public washroom, like the ones in CF Rideau)
SubHuman
Active Member
There were inspectors checking people getting off buses at Keele this afternoon. These do show up on your Presto card transaction history,
as I recall the GO train ones did, though it seems like a long time now since I've ran into one anywhere.
The only previous TTC ones I can remember were years ago for streetcars arriving at Spadina.
DSCToronto
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This is currently on TTC site
