chrisw
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DSCToronto
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Yes, this was discussed above somewhere, by Steve Munro https://stevemunro.ca/2024/02/06/subway-and-streetcar-major-works-and-closures-2024/#more-59195 and on TTC website. https://www.ttc.ca/service-advisories/subway-service#e=0 It is a mixture of things including trackwork and station finishes.
leslievillecyclist
New Member
Despite the change in listed RSZs in the last week, I've noticed no actual change in where Line 1 or 2 have slowed. Despite not being listed anymore, the subway still crawls at just above walking speed from Bloor-Yonge to Rosedale. North of that it is much faster, especially north of Eglinton despite that now being listed as a RSZ.
chrisw
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Northern Light
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The TTC agenda is up.........
On said agenda, one will find a report requested by Council looking at options for the TTC to provide free access to schools on field trips, as well as free presto cards to groups who could distribute these to low-income high school students.
The Report examines these options, generally unfavourably, and also looks at the cost implications of making service free to all High School aged students in the off-peak.
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I don't support free service for this age cohort as I don't think its where the greatest needs lie, and its also another cumbersome exception to normative fare policy. ......... but I digress.
What caught my attention was actually a graphic showing how many routes are over 100% capacity at mid-day now........
Yes, you're running at 95% of pre-pandemic capacity with materially fewer riders........... ... uhhh, above says different.
Oh, and the implications of free service for HS aged youth is below:
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While I agree w/the 'subtle' hint from the TTC that this is a bad idea.................
Reading the report gives me indigestion all the same, as it reads as "Change is hard, more riders are a hassle, do we really have to earn our pay"
This may not be the right change, but more riders are desirable and until the TTC stops seeing riders as a burden, its problems will never abate.
On said agenda, one will find a report requested by Council looking at options for the TTC to provide free access to schools on field trips, as well as free presto cards to groups who could distribute these to low-income high school students.
The Report examines these options, generally unfavourably, and also looks at the cost implications of making service free to all High School aged students in the off-peak.
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I don't support free service for this age cohort as I don't think its where the greatest needs lie, and its also another cumbersome exception to normative fare policy. ......... but I digress.
What caught my attention was actually a graphic showing how many routes are over 100% capacity at mid-day now........
Yes, you're running at 95% of pre-pandemic capacity with materially fewer riders........... ... uhhh, above says different.
Oh, and the implications of free service for HS aged youth is below:
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While I agree w/the 'subtle' hint from the TTC that this is a bad idea.................
Reading the report gives me indigestion all the same, as it reads as "Change is hard, more riders are a hassle, do we really have to earn our pay"
This may not be the right change, but more riders are desirable and until the TTC stops seeing riders as a burden, its problems will never abate.
Northern Light
Superstar
A report on the Dundas renaming business is also up on the next agenda of the TTC. This is because the City doesn't actually have the direct authority to change the names of TTC property and must 'request' such from the Commission.
Of course, the City as the primary funder of the TTC has some pretty large heft when it makes requests.
Report Link here:
Substance below:
Of course, the City as the primary funder of the TTC has some pretty large heft when it makes requests.
Report Link here:
Substance below:
Northern Light
Superstar
From the CEO's Report on the agenda of the next meeting of the TTC, linked below:
We get this service tidbit:
We get this service tidbit:
Amare
Senior Member
Nice find as always @Northern Light
Honestly the free field trip rides and free rides to high school students off-peak are both non-starters to me, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. They both dont have any material benefit asides from taking up additional capacity on the system, at points of time where the system is already over-capacity (*cough such as during the mid-day period where the TTC outright admits there's a huge swath of the system is already over capacity*). So why even look into policies that would just further exasperate the problem of adding riders to the system where there are dozens of routes which are overcapacity, and jamming them onto various routes?
It's not like either policy is going to create some kind of modal change for these riders in the future. All in all, this would be a highly policy idiotic implementation and i'd be vehemently against both.
As for the heat map of mid-day overcapacity routes, the problem is definitely bad to the point where it seems like it's rush hour on certain routes, when in reality it isn't. Which makes it even all the more puzzling why the TTC has been cutting service on some of these very same corridors during the mid-day period.
Northern Light
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Thanks.
Steve Munro picked up on it too:
Overcrowding on TTC Bus Routes
An ongoing issue with TTC service levels is that TTC claims about crowding do not always appear to align with rider experiences. The TTC Board’s February 22 agenda includes a report about pro…
stevemunro.ca
I had a look at additional info he posted, and when you compare pre-pandemic regular service to today's regular service (February '24), it does not add up to 95% even if you didn't factor in the portion of those hours devoted to SRT replacement, and even if you didn't factor in that the TTC misleadingly counts 1 hour of bus service as identical to 1 hour of subway service when they produce that number.
Except one vehicle holds ~40 people and the other over ~1,000
Ummmm, ummmmm
T3G
Senior Member
Free rides for schools on field trips is an insane proposal. What membrane of unreality do these people come from?
As far as the overcrowding issue goes, one of the worst routes I've been on recently is the 123 on weekends. That route could easily justify artics. The route runs from Kipling to Sherway absolutely rammed on a Saturday night like it's morning rush hour, some people get off at Sherway, and then another 20-30 people try to board the sardine can to replace them. It's absolutely awful. I truly hope my travels do not take me anywhere near the 123 ever again.
As far as the overcrowding issue goes, one of the worst routes I've been on recently is the 123 on weekends. That route could easily justify artics. The route runs from Kipling to Sherway absolutely rammed on a Saturday night like it's morning rush hour, some people get off at Sherway, and then another 20-30 people try to board the sardine can to replace them. It's absolutely awful. I truly hope my travels do not take me anywhere near the 123 ever again.
Richard White
Senior Member
The same unreality that thinks buses aren't crush loaded and that we can do more with less.
Does anyone here know when the TDSB stopped using school buses for field trips?
If I recall we took the TTC on field trips in 1995 however I distinctly recall taking a TDSB School bus to Charles Gordon Sr PS in 2000 from Edgewood PS.
Northern Light
Superstar
Curiously, I don't remember many field trips on school buses, but I do remember them on chartered TTC buses. Something the staff reports suggests they are unable to do; yet most certainly did do in the past.
johntauren
Active Member
I remember taking like one or two field trips on the bus once way back in high school. It was just tickets for everyone, long before Presto.
Chartering a TTC bus is significantly more expensive that just paying standard fares for a class of around 30 students.
Chartering a TTC bus is significantly more expensive that just paying standard fares for a class of around 30 students.
Steve X
Senior Member
What is missing is the 3x as long paragraph saying service reduce on my routes, especially rush hour to ensure riders are more packed together or left on the road waiting for a chance to get on the next bus longer on the following routes: 15 Evans, 17 Birchmount, 29 Dufferin, 929 Dufferin Express, 33 Forest Hill, 34 Eglinton East, 38 Highland Creek, 938 Highland Creak Express, 939 Finch East Express, 42 Cummer, 45 Kipling, 46 Martin Grove, 51 Leslie, 53 Steeles East, 59 Maple Leaf, 68 Warden, 968 Warden Express, 989 Weston Express, 90 Vaughan, 91 Woodbine, 106 Sentinel, 109 Ranee, 110 Islington South, 111 East Mall, 124 Sunnybrook, 126 Christie, 127 Davenport, 130 Middlefield, 132 Milner, 161 Rogers Road and 900 Airport Express.
Some routes appear on both list as there are improvements made in certain times while reductions being made in other times. Clearly someone has realize they don't have money as this list is quite extensive.
JSF-1
Active Member
I was using school buses for field trips all the way up until the last one I went on in 2010 (Grade 10 field trip to the Science Centre). I never had to take a TTC bus for a field trip and the only time we didn't use a school bus was for trips outside of Toronto; for those they would charter a coach bus (Camp Kearny in Grade 6, and Ottawa in Grade 8).