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Long Island Mike
Senior Member
TTC Ride Guide commentary...
I42: The TTC Ride Guide has changed for the better since the early 80s. We have here at NRHS the MapArt-designed RG from 9/82 and then 7 subsequent editions until March 1st,1994 when it changed into the Regional Transit Ride Guide. It is designed by Schwerdt Graphic Arts,Ltd. Was that the GO map that you designed in that issue? I notice that the next issue we have: 2/18/96 is back to MapArt again and the map base is copyright S.G.A. Ltd. The June 1998 issue has the same designs and copyrights. I like MapArt's maps-they are colorful,have good detail and are easy to read. The last old style RG issue we have is 9/21/81. That's 25 years of TTC RGs
under the improved modern format.
Wylie: That Pyongyang map may not have detail but it is simple-all it needs is directions added to as least be a minimum usable map to me. My only question: Is it geographically correct?
ED7: The 70s NYC Subway map was the epitome of an abstract design map-you are correct about the artwork observation. In 1979-for the systems 75th Anniversary the map was replaced with a much better designed newer map and it was updated in the 90s to what NYC issues today.
LI MIKE
I42: The TTC Ride Guide has changed for the better since the early 80s. We have here at NRHS the MapArt-designed RG from 9/82 and then 7 subsequent editions until March 1st,1994 when it changed into the Regional Transit Ride Guide. It is designed by Schwerdt Graphic Arts,Ltd. Was that the GO map that you designed in that issue? I notice that the next issue we have: 2/18/96 is back to MapArt again and the map base is copyright S.G.A. Ltd. The June 1998 issue has the same designs and copyrights. I like MapArt's maps-they are colorful,have good detail and are easy to read. The last old style RG issue we have is 9/21/81. That's 25 years of TTC RGs
under the improved modern format.
Wylie: That Pyongyang map may not have detail but it is simple-all it needs is directions added to as least be a minimum usable map to me. My only question: Is it geographically correct?
ED7: The 70s NYC Subway map was the epitome of an abstract design map-you are correct about the artwork observation. In 1979-for the systems 75th Anniversary the map was replaced with a much better designed newer map and it was updated in the 90s to what NYC issues today.
LI MIKE
unimaginative2
Senior Member
The Pyeongyang map is especially bad since many people think most of those stations don't exist!
MapArt is a brand name co-owned by two companies: the distributor, Peter Heiler Ltd., and the designers, currently called MapMobility. MapMobility started out as Schwerdt Graphic Arts, then became MapMedia, and then changed to the current name this year because they can't leave well enough alone. There has been no change of ownership along the way.
The company has produced the Ride Guide since 1982. I joined in 1986 and was the point man at the company when the Regional guide was inaugurated. Yes, that was my GO map and my Blue Night Network map, the directional bus shields, and the subway/surface connection guide. The ride guide has since been handled by others at the firm. I'm glad you like our maps!
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doady
Senior Member
MT and TTC maps are the best, but the designers are so lazy with the changes, there are so many errors. Each year the systems makes changes to the routes and the maps get worse and worse.
Notice, for example, on the MT map, the gap on the between the 17 and 51 on Tomken where the 52 used to be. And also the icon for the 11A being grouped with the ones for 40 and 50 instead of 11. Just some really half-assed work.
GO's map has the same problem with all the changes over the years, but it was already really crappy to begin with so it doesn't matter.
Notice, for example, on the MT map, the gap on the between the 17 and 51 on Tomken where the 52 used to be. And also the icon for the 11A being grouped with the ones for 40 and 50 instead of 11. Just some really half-assed work.
GO's map has the same problem with all the changes over the years, but it was already really crappy to begin with so it doesn't matter.
DavidH
Senior Member
GO Transit on Google Transit
Check this out:
http://www.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=43.7631,-79.41375&spn=1.3336,2.254299&dirflg=r
Expect to hear more about this very very soon.
Check this out:
http://www.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=43.7631,-79.41375&spn=1.3336,2.254299&dirflg=r
Expect to hear more about this very very soon.
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RedRocket191
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DavidH
Senior Member
Now all we need to do is to get the remaining agencies on it (which is most of them). I think Metrolinx has been working on this as an initiative.
RedRocket191
Senior Member
Indeed they have.
Much of the legwork is in converting the stop and schedule data to Google Transit feed specification, but it's the perfect opportunity for crowd-sourcing. Look at CPTDB.... How many high school kids would sign up if processing the data could count towards their 40 hours of community service?
Much of the legwork is in converting the stop and schedule data to Google Transit feed specification, but it's the perfect opportunity for crowd-sourcing. Look at CPTDB.... How many high school kids would sign up if processing the data could count towards their 40 hours of community service?
DavidH
Senior Member
Well.... ideally, you'd want to write/obtain some code to export to Google's spec so that you can re-export whenever you change your services.
RedRocket191
Senior Member
Nah that's too simple. They would never be able to handle that, dontchaknow.
DavidH
Senior Member
For systems using Trapeze, someone has probably already written it.
nfitz
Superstar
Indeed! Hopefully we'll see TTC soon, now that TTC is making the data available. GO Transit and York Region are up (along with Hamilton and Ottawa). But where are the other local agences such as Oakville Transit, Burlington Transit, Brampton Transit, Mississauga Transit, and Durham Region Transit. Perhaps TTC isn't so far behind everyone else after all!
DavidH
Senior Member
Word is that other agencies will come along later this year. I have heard from DRT staff that they are working on it.
TOareaFan
Superstar
Since Brampton Transit already have a very easy to use and very accurate trip planner on their own website, I would imagine the techies out there (of which I am not one
) should be able to link this information fairly easily to google.....no?