Crapht
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Solid black line would be grade level podium which also includes the house on Hughson st and the alleyway is gone, I guess. The red squares would be the two towers.
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Google? Well there's yer problem. Install yer Apple Maps and get yer superior. more-up-t'date imagery.
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Chronamut
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Ahhh I see.. that would make more sense.
Northern Light
Superstar
A few thoughts.
1) If the law provided the appropriate avenue, I would require the current and former owner's to split the cost of completely reconstructing the Tivoli as-was, give or take any accessibility improvements. Demolition by neglect should never be rewarded.
What a loss:
Credit/Source: https://www.talkingwallsphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/tivoli-theatre-hamilton-6-2-1.jpg
2) The Sky Bridge element does nothing for me, I don't see it as added value, just added cost. Save the $$ and put it into better materiality.
3) I take it from the render that the intent is either to save or recreate the original facade.
Looking at the below.......I feel like the render suggests a very bad recreation.
Source: https://www.doorsopenontario.on.ca/events/hamilton-1/tivoli-theatre/Tivoli-Theatre-exterior.jpg
1) If the law provided the appropriate avenue, I would require the current and former owner's to split the cost of completely reconstructing the Tivoli as-was, give or take any accessibility improvements. Demolition by neglect should never be rewarded.
What a loss:
Credit/Source: https://www.talkingwallsphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/tivoli-theatre-hamilton-6-2-1.jpg
2) The Sky Bridge element does nothing for me, I don't see it as added value, just added cost. Save the $$ and put it into better materiality.
3) I take it from the render that the intent is either to save or recreate the original facade.
Looking at the below.......I feel like the render suggests a very bad recreation.
Source: https://www.doorsopenontario.on.ca/events/hamilton-1/tivoli-theatre/Tivoli-Theatre-exterior.jpg
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Chronamut
Active Member
Of course it does - its just a half-assed "tribute" to the facade, most likely made out of foam like the one they "recreated" across from capri.. smh..
I don't see the recreation happening - these people will torpedo the theatre themselves just to not have to do it. You can expect another mysterious "collapse" - they're probably pissed it's taking so long to do it on its own.
I don't see the recreation happening - these people will torpedo the theatre themselves just to not have to do it. You can expect another mysterious "collapse" - they're probably pissed it's taking so long to do it on its own.
vistaway
Active Member
From the City today:
Heritage Permit Application for 108 James Street North and 111-113 Hughson Street North, HamiltonTAKE NOTICE that, on January 22, 2025, the Council of the City of Hamilton consented to Heritage Permit Application HP2024-033, subject to conditions, for the Demolition of the Tivoli Lobby and Auditorium at 108 James Street North and 111 -113 Hughson Street North, Hamilton, under Section 34(4.2)(c) of the Ontario Heritage Act.Dated this 31st day of January, 2025. Matthew Trennum City Clerk Hamilton, Ontario |
Chronamut
Active Member
soo what exactly is being kept if they are pretty much demolishing all that is left?
BCTed
Active Member
Nothing?
Chronamut
Active Member
Sorry I guess the hamilton permit application comment had me confused.
IamNotaRobot
New Member
Demolition of Hamilton's Historic Tivoli Auditorium Begins
After a 192-page engineers report stated the Tivoli Auditorium was unsafe and could not be salvaged, City Council approved demolition in January. Only hours after Supercrawl ended, excavator began ripping through masonry and brick weakened by decades of neglect.
thepublicrecord.ca
IamNotaRobot
New Member
Whoops
thepublicrecord.ca
Tivoli Demolition Began Illegally Without A Permit
Ward 2 Councillor Cameron Kroetsch says there is "no excuse" for the developer's negligence, adding the illegal start "completely undermines their credibility" with the City and the community.
thepublicrecord.ca
Sunnyside
Senior Member
As Joey says, straight outta the playbook. They’re fumbling the 2020s edition, though- the King St buildings at least fell ‘on their own’.
Good luck trying to do anything here without the OLT now. This is so blatant that it must be the plan- no chance they’d try to fulfill city conditions after this.
Good luck trying to do anything here without the OLT now. This is so blatant that it must be the plan- no chance they’d try to fulfill city conditions after this.
ScreamingViking
New Member
It was sadly inevitable, given the length of time the theatre sat there with no maintenance. Kroetsch can bellow about credibility, but I think the city is as much to blame here. So I think any "remedies" he can find should start with having tougher policies and penalties. But inexcusable that the developer didn't have a permit, despite the city approving demolition at the beginning of the year.
More sad is this probably won't be the last case of neglect causing something to collapse or needing to be demolished.
Sunnyside
Senior Member
Agreed, it is sad.
I don’t know what higher-profile ones remain. This and the King buildings have been known for over a decade.
I also don’t know what we expect the city to do in this case other than enforce heritage standards; that is an ongoing issue. At a certain point if a municipality can’t fulfill its heritage responsibilities the province should step in. These were all designated properties, protected by provincial legislation… might be time I brush up on the Act.
Stec
Active Member
Is there a plan to include a live theater venue in the new condo tower here?