[citylights]

Hi, do you know is Geothermal part of demolition? How long does it take to finish? I live nearby and kind of noisy in early morning….i feel like it’s been a month after they start to remove the building with all the other works…reading through the messages above, sounds like there is no building permit yet….so I guess it’s just demolition now….thanks!

Geothermal will eventually be used for the heating and cooling system.
They're currently drilling holes into the ground, and will then put tubes through those holes.
Once the building is complete, the HVAC system will circulate a liquid through those tubes which will essentially be used to draw or dispose of heat into the ground.
The temperature deep underground generally stays consistent throughout the year, which makes it more energy efficient to use the liquid circulating through the ground as a heating or cooling source than outside air.

I'm not an expert on this particular topic, but I'd say the drilling process can take 1 to 2 months.

Then, construction of the building will almost certainly start. Few developers are going to install geothermal if they're not planning on following through with the project.

 

[Northern Light]

Construction Staging Report to the next meeting of TEYCC will give us a sense of the timeline here:

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2026/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-286857.pdf

From the above:

The existing (newly improved) bike lane on Peter is impacted, but the intent is to retain it during construction, in painted form on this site, shifted to the east.

 

[Kkviolet]

Construction Staging Report to the next meeting of TEYCC will give us a sense of the timeline here:

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2026/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-286857.pdf

From the above:

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The existing (newly improved) bike lane on Peter is impacted, but the intent is to retain it during construction, in painted form on this site, shifted to the east.

Hi, I think you said they haven’t got the building permit and how can they start the construction without permit? Sorry I am not familiar with the process and maybe it’s a stupid question haha. Or maybe the TEYCC meeting is to get the permit?

 

[citylights]

Hi, I think you said they haven’t got the building permit and how can they start the construction without permit? Sorry I am not familiar with the process and maybe it’s a stupid question haha. Or maybe the TEYCC meeting is to get the permit?

They already have their permit for the geothermal.

And, their shoring permit is nearly granted. I'm sure it'll be finalized by the time the geothermal work is done.

The rest will come later.

 

[Northern Light]

Hi, I think you said they haven’t got the building permit

That was back in March, but yes, I did.

I see @citylights has given a good answer above, but I'll still add a bit.

and how can they start the construction without permit?

Fairly easily, by breaking the law.

Now, to be clear, most of the work seen on site to date is covered by demolition and geo-therm, as noted above.

But to be equally clear, its not uncommon for developers to break the law in this regard.

They generally hope for forgiveness; but they can also budget to pay the fines if they get nailed.

In some cases, its frankly more cost-effective to build and eat few thousand in fines...........than to delay construction.

Now Toronto Buildings can be aggressive if they feel like it, and could get a court order for you to demolish anything built w/o permits; but its been long time since I've seen them do that.

Sorry I am not familiar with the process and maybe it’s a stupid question haha.

Nope, no need to apologize, questions are how we all learn.

Or maybe the TEYCC meeting is to get the permit?

Nope, permits are not a political matter, at least not from a legal stand point; that's purely up to Buildings and is based on getting your spec's approved, and on paying for the permit!

 

[Kkviolet]

That was back in March, but yes, I did.

I see @citylights has given a good answer above, but I'll still add a bit.



Fairly easily, by breaking the law.

Now, to be clear, most of the work seen on site to date is covered by demolition and geo-therm, as noted above.

But to be equally clear, its not uncommon for developers to break the law in this regard.

They generally hope for forgiveness; but they can also budget to pay the fines if they get nailed.

In some cases, its frankly more cost-effective to build and eat few thousand in fines...........than to delay construction.

Now Toronto Buildings can be aggressive if they feel like it, and could get a court order for you to demolish anything built w/o permits; but its been long time since I've seen them do that.



Nope, no need to apologize, questions are how we all learn.



Nope, permits are not a political matter, at least not from a legal stand point; that's purely up to Buildings and is based on getting your spec's approved, and on paying for the permit!

LOL I see, thanks for the reply!!! Though technically, they haven’t started the building part lol, so not breaking the law yet haha.

I wish they stop to have more buildings in this area……I used to love this neighbourhood, but recently with all the new buildings I am thinking to leave……or maybe I become old, and downtown area becomes to noisy for me.