interchange42 said:
I don't believe that's true. Both the Lightbox and the Four Seasons Centre are totally silent inside despite both being beside streetcar lines and the latter also having a subway run past it. The trick is spending enough to acoustically separate the spaces, typically through the floors being carried on giant rubber pucks. Anyone spending $30M on the penthouse is going to demand silence from above in a sales contract, and if they don't, it's their own fault.

Anyway, a 106th floor restaurant is not going to fill up with stomping riffraff unless they do everything wrong.

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The examples you cite are exceptional and non residential. I very much doubt that Pinnacle or any developer would provide that level of acoustic isolation, even for a price - this isn't exactly a high-end luxury project. And the frequency in the change of plans for the space in such a short time (and for next door at the Star) would cause any buyer concern. In any event, the main point I was trying to make is that no one who buys a PH in this price range and fancies themselves above it all wants to be living "below" anybody else, let alone below a space frequented by the "masses." Hence the likely future partition into several units. Just my opinion.
 
Hyperreal.Edwin said:
Does this have some sort of lighting system planned?
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From the one dusk rendering we have, outside of the crown there won't be any other lighting. We also don't see much evidence in the construction photos except for maybe the lower corner balconies.

Such a shame, we could really do with more architectural lighting in this city. Check out how good One Delisle looks with them on already while under construction:
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From the one dusk rendering we have, outside of the crown there won't be any other lighting. We also don't see much evidence in the construction photos except for maybe the lower corner balconies.

Such a shame, we could really do with more architectural lighting in this city. Check out how good One Delisle looks with them on already while under construction:
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I completely agree with you. I recently traveled to China and the difference is unbelievable. I was genuinely mind-blown. In cities like Shanghai and Chongqing, around 9–10 pm, dozens of buildings light up with full LED immersive facades at the exact same time, creating this synchronized, vibrant skyline. It’s astonishing. I had never seen anything remotely close to that. Meanwhile, Toronto feels extremely dark by comparison. There’s no immersive or dynamic full-building lighting, just static lights and mostly unlit facades. It’s actually shocking to see how big the gap is. Even adding a few illuminated facades here would instantly make the city feel more alive, modern, vibrant, and visually appealing. And it’s not just about aesthetic. This kind of lighting boosts tourism, creates a stronger city identity, increases nighttime foot traffic, and even attracts investment based on research. Other global cities know this. We’re definitely missing out. If even one landmark, like the SkyTower, had a full LED façade, it would completely transform Toronto’s skyline. It’s disappointing that, even in 2025, we still haven’t embraced this type of lighting. Toronto has so much potential, but we’re dragging behind when it comes to nighttime city design, among many other things.
 
NIL OMNI said:
The examples you cite are exceptional and non residential. I very much doubt that Pinnacle or any developer would provide that level of acoustic isolation, even for a price - this isn't exactly a high-end luxury project. And the frequency in the change of plans for the space in such a short time (and for next door at the Star) would cause any buyer concern. In any event, the main point I was trying to make is that no one who buys a PH in this price range and fancies themselves above it all wants to be living "below" anybody else, let alone below a space frequented by the "masses." Hence the likely future partition into several units. Just my opinion.
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I'm with you to this extent: if Pinnacle would not guarantee silence from above in a purchase agreement, then I think it highly unlikely one would ever be signed for a full 105h-floor suite at $30M.

If they are serious about selling the 105th for $30M though, surely they can acoustically separate what's going on above. While laminate floors are typically installed over 2mm EPE foam underlayment to both cushion walking on the floor and dampen noise, Pinnacle could easily spring for a thicker, higher performance product. No, they wouldn't need giant rubber discs like the Four Seasons Centre or the Lightbox got, but then streetcars won't be rumbling overhead. There are ways to do this, and using some thousands of the millions in profit that Pinnacle would make from selling the 105th as a single unit would pay for the kind of noise isolation that a high-end purchaser would demand.

All that said, the rest holds true: will someone want a $30M unit in a building where no other suite comes close to that cost? Unlikely... but the suite would come with unique bragging rights for it being the highest residence in the country, for any loaded individual who might be keen to make that boast. I can tell you the views are pretty good from up there.

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jveron said:
I completely agree with you. I recently traveled to China and the difference is unbelievable. I was genuinely mind-blown. In cities like Shanghai and Chongqing, around 9–10 pm, dozens of buildings light up with full LED immersive facades at the exact same time, creating this synchronized, vibrant skyline. It’s astonishing. I had never seen anything remotely close to that. Meanwhile, Toronto feels extremely dark by comparison. There’s no immersive or dynamic full-building lighting, just static lights and mostly unlit facades. It’s actually shocking to see how big the gap is. Even adding a few illuminated facades here would instantly make the city feel more alive, modern, vibrant, and visually appealing. And it’s not just about aesthetic. This kind of lighting boosts tourism, creates a stronger city identity, increases nighttime foot traffic, and even attracts investment based on research. Other global cities know this. We’re definitely missing out. If even one landmark, like the SkyTower, had a full LED façade, it would completely transform Toronto’s skyline. It’s disappointing that, even in 2025, we still haven’t embraced this type of lighting. Toronto has so much potential, but we’re dragging behind when it comes to nighttime city design, among many other things.
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There's a reason for this, and that is to limit unnecessary deaths of birds, specifically migratory birds, many thousands of which used to die after slamming into well-lit highrise windows. I don't know if the number of deaths has dropped since, but it was a subject of newsworthy concern some 20 years ago, and there's an ongoing campaign called "Lights Out Toronto" that tries to persuade businesses to limit nighttime lighting. It's for the birds.
Aesthetically, yes, it's much more striking and impressive to have a brightly lit downtown, but even aside from the important matter of the avian deaths, it's a colossal waste of electricity (even using LED bulbs) to needlessly run lights all night when no one is there.
 
Strange Advance said:
There's a reason for this, and that is to limit unnecessary deaths of birds, specifically migratory birds, many thousands of which used to die after slamming into well-lit highrise windows. I don't know if the number of deaths has dropped since, but it was a subject of newsworthy concern some 20 years ago, and there's an ongoing campaign called "Lights Out Toronto" that tries to persuade businesses to limit nighttime lighting. It's for the birds.
Aesthetically, yes, it's much more striking and impressive to have a brightly lit downtown, but even aside from the important matter of the avian deaths, it's a colossal waste of electricity (even using LED bulbs) to needlessly run lights all night when no one is there.
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The discussion is about facade lighting, not interior lighting. People being inside is irrelevant as they won't see the facade lighting. It's strictly for people outside look at the building.
 
You can see the top of this from Yonge and Dundas at the entrance to the Eaton Centre, and it looks tall. It has a hint of fade like a distant mountain, giving it a mystic appearance. It's really imposing over downtown already and it's hard to believe it has a substantial more to go. I don't think the general public appreciate how much it is going to redefine the image of the City, with something else managing to compete with the CN Tower in the island skyline view. Exciting stuff!
 
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