This is the right decision. The three pier approach makes sense given the three main types of travel that YYZ sees. Hopefully the Transborder pier is designed to incorporate US CBPA facilities and give the existing space back to Int'l passengers.

There's no need in the intermediate future for a separate passenger processing terminal as envisioned for the transit hub. Just simply a single intermodal point where multiple transit modes and lines converge.
 
Adjei said:
It’s not like their American airports are any better. I was just recently in Seattle’s airport which looks outright terrible.
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I know they're are renovating it, but last time I was in LA X about 7 years ago it was terrible.
 
GenerationLee said:
Heck, even some of NYCs airports are rather shabby, or at least the one I stopped over in, which I....think was Leguardia. But I dont recall exactly.
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I was just at LaGuardia on Sunday. Terminal B has been substantially modernized and is quite open and spacious. Apparently it used to be quite the opposite. I can't comment on the rest of it, though I think they did also upgraded terminal C.
 
GenerationLee said:
Heck, even some of NYCs airports are rather shabby, or at least the one I stopped over in, which I....think was Leguardia. But I dont recall exactly.
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That must have been a while ago because both NY airports are going through major reno's. Leguardia might even be complete by now.
 
PL1 said:
I was just at LaGuardia on Sunday. Terminal B has been substantially modernized and is quite open and spacious. Apparently it used to be quite the opposite. I can't comment on the rest of it, though I think they did also upgraded terminal C.
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The whole airport is being renovated, same with JFK.
 
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PL1 said:
I was just at LaGuardia on Sunday. Terminal B has been substantially modernized and is quite open and spacious. Apparently it used to be quite the opposite. I can't comment on the rest of it, though I think they did also upgraded terminal C.
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I flew through Delta's terminal (Terminal C) a few months back. It's newly renovated as well. Same deal, open and spacious.
 
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Is there a good reason for not renaming Terminal 3, Terminal 2?
It doesn't appear that we are getting a 3rd Terminal (Terminal 2,) anytime soon.
 
UrbanAffair said:
Is there a good reason for not renaming Terminal 3, Terminal 2?
It doesn't appear that we are getting a 3rd Terminal (Terminal 2,) anytime soon.
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Cost, added confusion for no benefit whatsoever immediately spring to mind.
 
GenerationLee said:
Heck, even some of NYCs airports are rather shabby, or at least the one I stopped over in, which I....think was Leguardia. But I dont recall exactly.
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I always chuckle when Torontonians dunk on Terminal 3. Yes, it's not as nice or as modern as T1, but boy, I've seen some real dumps in the 15-20 airports I've visited in my life.
 
Honestly, the younguns here have no idea what it was like moving from the old T1 to T3 back in 1991. It was like going from the slums to a palace!
 
C-mac said:
I know they're are renovating it, but last time I was in LA X about 7 years ago it was terrible.
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I was at LAX on Tuesday. I arrived at Terminal B (mostly Alaska Airlines) and had a connection through Terminal 7 (mostly United Airlines) and I found both were really nice and spacious, modern, and uncongested. Also very quiet, like there were no jackasses on speakerphone anywhere and the volume of airport announcements was kept to a minimum; but no idea what it would be like at the terminal where Spirit Airlines operates.

Some signage issues for getting from one terminal to the other, but it was a good experience compared to Pearson. Two hours for a connection and there was a bar directly across from my gate waiting area, like literally directly across the hallway.... had a few drinks while being able to literally turn around and see when the boarding actually started. Great setup.
 
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Tim MacDonald said:
Honestly, the younguns here have no idea what it was like moving from the old T1 to T3 back in 1991. It was like going from the slums to a palace!
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For us elderly folks flying in and out of the original terminal in the 1960s on DC8s was about as good as it got. I would agree as the years past, the terminal became quite dirty inside and out, perhaps due to having a car park on top, and the insides became dated. T2 as I remember was a stop gap measure, and meant to be a temporary terminal as in a way it was. I think there wasn't the money, political will, or the time to expand and replicate T1 as originally planned.
 
The Preservationist said:
For us elderly folks flying in and out of the original terminal in the 1960s on DC8s was about as good as it got. I would agree as the years past, the terminal became quite dirty inside and out, perhaps due to having a car park on top, and the insides became dated. T2 as I remember was a stop gap measure, and meant to be a temporary terminal as in a way it was. I think there wasn't the money, political will, or the time to expand and replicate T1 as originally planned.
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T2 was actually designed and built to be Pearson's main air freight terminal - however with the rapid growth in passenger traffic in the 1970's it was repurposed as passenger terminal expansion for the severely out of capacity for T1. At the time, the airport terminal buildings and Air Canada itself were still owned and operated by the federal government (Air Canada actually was a subsidiary of CN Rail until 1978 when it became a separate crown corporation, prior to its final privatization in 1989). Air Canada was forced to move into T2 against its own wishes. AC management realized what a disaster the original T2 would be, but were forced into the move by its owner, the government. Easier for the government to move Air Canada than to have to deal with all the international air lines, many of which were owned by their respective governments at the time. Air Canada subsequently spent many millions in upgrading the facility to be more suitable for passengers instead of its originally intended air freight use.

Entering T2 when it was new was like going into the Twilight Zone. There were absolutely no windows, it was just a big concrete box. One had no idea, no visual reference as to what was happening outside. Whether it was daylight or dark. Whether the weather was good, and planes were moving, or whether the weather had gone foul, and all the aircraft were sitting stuck at the gates. As the upgrades and renovations were implemented, in particular taking down numerous sections of concrete exterior walls replacing them with windows, the T2 customer experience gradually improved. But there was nothing that could be done about the basic layout - its big horizontal box shape with all the aircraft gates strung along the aircraft apron side, with some wrap around at the ends of the building. Walking distances from one end (domestic arrivals) to the other (international departures) resulted in making connections being a nightmare. I still remember being next to a couple of passengers who had arrived from within Canada and heading overseas when a PA announcement for them was made recalling them to their arrival gate to pick up their pet carrier. They had been told their pet carrier would be checked through to their final destination when they first boarded on their flight to Pearson - requiring them to walk from one extreme end of the building to the other, and then back again. I have no idea whether or not they ultimately made their ongoing flight.
 
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