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Good to see scaffolding all over the pods.
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generalcanada
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Internal plans reveal potential ‘phase 2’ in controversial Ontario Place redevelopment | Globalnews.ca
Internal government documents obtained by the Ontario NDP and provided to Global News refer to “Phase 2” in the province’s overhaul of Toronto’s Ontario Place.
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SUUUREEE theyre "HIDING" plans for the east island....surreee
definitely not just ragebait.
"theyre paving over a lake" LOL definition of ragebait
didnt want to spend the 2 minutes to look at the public plans released by infrastructure ontario's engagement process did you?
I do love how old their photos are. It still includes the old rope course/junglegym company that dropped out. it doesnt even have the ontario place buildings on the parking lots
UtakataNoAnnex
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That article is not very flattering to your position though. Maybe you should source something else, lol...
Northern Light
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Internal plans reveal potential ‘phase 2’ in controversial Ontario Place redevelopment | Globalnews.ca
Internal government documents obtained by the Ontario NDP and provided to Global News refer to “Phase 2” in the province’s overhaul of Toronto’s Ontario Place.
SUUUREEE theyre "HIDING" plans for the east island....surreee
definitely not just ragebait.
"theyre paving over a lake" LOL definition of ragebait
didnt want to spend the 2 minutes to look at the public plans released by infrastructure ontario's engagement process did you?
I do love how old their photos are. It still includes the old rope course/junglegym company that dropped out. it doesnt even have the ontario place buildings on the parking lots
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Your posts on this thread have always been deeply problematic and this one is no exception.
The render above does not align with what a phase 2 would look like.
Putting text on the page, while having the page show something that is different from the text is a deceptive tactic.
The phase 2 plan would include filling in the entire Cove area, which by definition would make the current beach there go away.
The government continues to be anything but transparent here.
generalcanada
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oh wait i just saw the underline, this is even worse LOL
""A September 2020 illustration appears to show part of Lake Ontario paved over""
HAHAHA cmon people really? Do you actually think this is the real plan? it's just ragebait
ragebait: A post on social media by a news organisation designed expressly to outrage as many people as possible in order to generate interaction.
here's a hint, look at the budweiser stage. why does that look so weird? Probably because that has never been the design ever
So you're telling me, all of this, the budweiser stage, the expensive public consultations were all just a ruse to get the cove paved over for AND to change the budweiser stage to be a different design?
To say this is the actual plan, which is what you're saying right? you have to say they lied to:
- the city of toronto
- consultants
- internal conservative party members
- infrastructure ontario
ALL just a ruse to be able to pave over the cove
AHEM...
conspiracy: the activity of secretly planning with other people to do something bad or illegal:
To assume this is the exact plan and design for the east island is to ignore everything the government has said, everything they have done and everything they will do
The press release is designed to generate fake ragebait outrage. Straight up.
This is the one and only possible design for the future of the east island. Well not fully complete plan but it can change a little
Final designs for Ontario Place
Explore the final designs that will transform Ontario Place into a family-friendly, world-class destination.
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hawc
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hawc
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So.... is everything other than the pods and Cinesphere getting demolished? Will all those trees be cut too?
The pods will become the new Science Centre and the rest is going to be a spa?
The pods will become the new Science Centre and the rest is going to be a spa?
Natika33
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I attended the walk around OP last spring & they said there is supposed to be a substantially large portion of the new Science Centre built on the mainland where there's currently a parking lot.
The island west of the last pod in your photo is where the new water park & spa will go, so yes, the old silos & those trees are slated for removal. The whole thing will look more like a taller terraced hill when done, as plans call for a walkway up & over the building with lots of planters & gardens covering much of the roof.
West island plans: https://thermecanada.com/?gad_sourc...7SMwQpQqEtcXAZrXmFkoocDSjM4N6HLhoCjQcQAvD_BwE
hawc
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Looks pretty cool. So is it a water park for everyone? Or an upscale spa for the rich? If it's a year round water park for kids and everyone I think that's a pretty good reimagining of what's there now. But I thought everyone is calling it a spa? What's the protest over? I haven't been following this one closely.
goodcitywhenfinished
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I have a feeling I might be in the minority, but I really do not mind these plans at all. The only thing that I find disappointing is the massive parking garage. The science centre move is a bit silly but I don't find it to be egregious. I would have rather seen IO try to attract a different museum or cultural space in its place.
Toronto's public space currently has too much focus on just providing "nature" in the city. There is already a lot of this. What this city really sucks at is programming and creating spaces with attractions people actually want to visit rather than another grass lawn with trees and benches. If that means blurring the lines between private and public space, so be it.
Jean Drapeau in Montreal has large portions of privatized space and that has not stopped it from being a very pleasant place to visit. If these plans are executed as advertised I anticipate this will be an even more lively and exciting place to be than Jean Drapeau, and more akin to Marina Bay Sands in Singapore or the West Kowloon Cultural District in HK.
Toronto's public space currently has too much focus on just providing "nature" in the city. There is already a lot of this. What this city really sucks at is programming and creating spaces with attractions people actually want to visit rather than another grass lawn with trees and benches. If that means blurring the lines between private and public space, so be it.
Jean Drapeau in Montreal has large portions of privatized space and that has not stopped it from being a very pleasant place to visit. If these plans are executed as advertised I anticipate this will be an even more lively and exciting place to be than Jean Drapeau, and more akin to Marina Bay Sands in Singapore or the West Kowloon Cultural District in HK.
Natika33
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It is mainly a water park with a spa component on the smaller upper levels. They are suggesting a preliminary entrance fee of $40/adult with cheaper rates for kids & families (same as the price to enter the water park in Niagara Falls and around the same as CN Tower or Wonderland). I assume some of those against the project are calling it "an expensive spa for the elite" because they feel it'll turn public opinion against it and therefore they'll achieve their aim of shutting it down.
Natika33
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Agreed! One update - the parking is now moving over to the Exhibition grounds, so even that big drawback has been removed.
generalcanada
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The whole thing is just a massive PR blunder by therme and ford. they called it a "family wellness facility".
probably not the best words to describe it. Ford's opponents latched onto it and took control of the narrative. All they had to do was say it's a family friendly waterpark.
Now every word they say has be in damage control mode
And yea the whole west island will be getting a makeover.
probably not the best words to describe it. Ford's opponents latched onto it and took control of the narrative. All they had to do was say it's a family friendly waterpark.
Now every word they say has be in damage control mode
And yea the whole west island will be getting a makeover.
AlexBozikovic
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It's funny to be relitigating this, but the "makeover" of the West Island involves demolishing every building, removing almost all of the trees, regrading most of the island and expanding it significantly.
The new Therme building will be about the same footprint as the whole island is today.
The new Therme building will be about the same footprint as the whole island is today.
taal
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Really my only issue is the fact we're getting a much smaller science center - with that said, a lot of the science center was open space / greenery / outdoor sections - so purely from an exhibit space perspective it's not clear to me how much different it really is ? Side note, I loved the science center growing up, I suspect many did, and I thought they did a decent job keeping it up to date until maybe ~ 2010 (it really was one of the premier North American science centers in the 1990s+) I recall I believe the telus expansion - but since then ... with the lack of investment, I find it's turned into a glorified daycare - as the exhibits are so old, in bad shape, and out of date (from a science and technology perspective).
Another thought - so the science center of course had the imax theater - is cinesphere going to be used in such a capacity as that would be great ? Do you know what would have been a dream come true, no clue if this is really feasible, but turn the cinesphere into a world class planetarium (that can still show movies as well).
I do not think the "spa" is necessarily a bad fit, assuming there is enough variety (i.e. for kids and adults) the fact that it and the science center are all year venus that's a huge win for the area.
Another thought - so the science center of course had the imax theater - is cinesphere going to be used in such a capacity as that would be great ? Do you know what would have been a dream come true, no clue if this is really feasible, but turn the cinesphere into a world class planetarium (that can still show movies as well).
I do not think the "spa" is necessarily a bad fit, assuming there is enough variety (i.e. for kids and adults) the fact that it and the science center are all year venus that's a huge win for the area.