[Northern Light]

One of the most profitable, the most attended seasonal park and it's now open almost the full year with longer haunt and winterfest now a big thing. There is no reason Disney could not open a park at Marineland the property is almost 3 times as big as Disneyland and CW has shown people will go all year even in the winter. Plus with Disney money they could most likely make many indoor attractions and even an indoor section to the amusement park area think West Edmonton Mall amusement park. Dark rides and indoor coasters are a huge thing for Disney it could be a fully hybrid park with a good split between indoor and outdoor attractions with only some closing for the winter. It would definitely work in this area the market desperately needs another big attraction especially with Canadians no longer travelling to the US and probably for a long time to come.

I'm not sure I see the case for a regional destination scale park in close proximity to Wonderland.

Are there even any examples of 2 large-scale (seasonal) parks close together? You see some clustering of parks in Fla, and Cal. but those are year-round, and with an overall domestic market that is substantially larger.

Its worth noting Wonderland has plans to expand, by repurposing the Kingswood area, and then by putting parking in parkades/garages to reduce the land area it consumes, and free up space for hotel/convention/resort facilities, more amusements, and retail.

 

[sixrings]

I'm not sure I see the case for a regional destination scale park in close proximity to Wonderland.

Are there even any examples of 2 large-scale (seasonal) parks close together? You see some clustering of parks in Fla, and Cal. but those are year-round, and with an overall domestic market that is substantially larger.

Its worth noting Wonderland has plans to expand, by repurposing the Kingswood area, and then by putting parking in parkades/garages to reduce the land area it consumes, and free up space for hotel/convention/resort facilities, more amusements, and retail.

I think a theme park and wonderland are vastly different things. One is about IP and the other coasters. There’s a reason places like great wolf lodge exist despite there being a million other hotels. Families still spend money.

Maybe not seasonal but there’s universal right beside Disney at both Orlando and LA. We can’t use the disaster of Marineland as the barometer if this would work or not. The only thing memorable about Marineland was the theme song. The rest was complete trash.

 

[Northern Light]

I think a theme park and wonderland are vastly different things. One is about IP and the other coasters.

Sure, to some degree; and CW has had iterations of this throughout the years with Hanna Barbara Land, and later all the Paramount theming, but Disney would certainly bring another level of this.

I can't say I understand the value of it, but I recognize some others do.

There’s a reason places like great wolf lodge exist despite there being a million other hotels. Families still spend money.

Sure, but GWL is a much smaller investment than a Disneyland.

Maybe not seasonal but there’s universal right beside Disney at both Orlando and LA.

Right, to my point, these are year-round attractions, but also in much larger domestic markets.

The number of potential customers who can arrive sans passport is on the order of 8.5x larger.

We can’t use the disaster of Marineland as the barometer if this would work or not. The only thing memorable about Marineland was the theme song. The rest was complete trash.

Sure, but again, you have CW on one side, and you have Darien Lake across the border, and Cedar Fair isn't that far either for Americans.

Most long distance travelers can't reach Niagara directly by air, on the Canadian side. They'd have to fly into Pearson, or they'd have to come in on the U.S. side and cross the border.

The suggestion is not that its an awful idea per se; even if it isnt' my preference, its that a 150 acre Disney type park is an enormous investment and Disney would need an ROI of substance to consider it.

Not only would a Niagara Park be seasonal and have 2 or even 3 close'ish rivals, it would also suck business away from Disney World and Disneyland, not just Canadians either, at least if it were successful.

That impedes a high ROI.

 

[sixrings]

Sure, to some degree; and CW has had iterations of this throughout the years with Hanna Barbara Land, and later all the Paramount theming, but Disney would certainly bring another level of this.

I can't say I understand the value of it, but I recognize some others do.



Sure, but GWL is a much smaller investment than a Disneyland.



Right, to my point, these are year-round attractions, but also in much larger domestic markets.

The number of potential customers who can arrive sans passport is on the order of 8.5x larger.



Sure, but again, you have CW on one side, and you have Darien Lake across the border, and Cedar Fair isn't that far either for Americans.

Most long distance travelers can't reach Niagara directly by air, on the Canadian side. They'd have to fly into Pearson, or they'd have to come in on the U.S. side and cross the border.

The suggestion is not that its an awful idea per se; even if it isnt' my preference, its that a 150 acre Disney type park is an enormous investment and Disney would need an ROI of substance to consider it.

Not only would a Niagara Park be seasonal and have 2 or even 3 close'ish rivals, it would also suck business away from Disney World and Disneyland, not just Canadians either, at least if it were successful.

That impedes a high ROI.

I don’t think adults care if the ride is called top gun or not. But kids do care. And Hannah barara is what I grew up with but that’s long past its relevance. Is it snoopy now? Also a much smaller IP in comparison. And yes there are parks on the American side but again they are not IP driven. If I was American id happily use my exchange rate here then get on a plane to Florida.

Anyways it’s just my preference. Do what you want with the site but at least it brings an attraction to a tourist attraction area.