nfitz
Superstar
Which year is the 123,000 for? 2041?
I guess though, this puts and end to the self-proclaimed experts who don't understand transit issues well, claiming that there isn't enough capacity with the current timetable.
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I guess though, this puts and end to the self-proclaimed experts who don't understand transit issues well, claiming that there isn't enough capacity with the current timetable.
urbanclient
Senior Member
Michael Lindsay and Metrolinx could be conflating ridership (unique trips) with boardings. Edited previous post to include that.
As I've mentioned before, there are already reports of overcrowding. As for future ridership, Eglinton's peak eventual capacity doesn't lend itself to much further densification. It's a self-correcting issue, if any. The best/worst case is that further development moves to other corridors (likely Sheppard if a west and east extension actually happen).
123,000 should be for 2026. The 2031 numbers are higher at 162,000 boardings. Apparently another 69,700 or 37,000 when the Western extension opens. Or whatever number they've "projected" or "calculated".
Grand River breaks down the difference between (unique?) ridership and boardings: https://www.grt.ca/about-grt/ridership-and-performance/
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69,700
Eglinton Crosstown West Extension
Extending the Eglinton Crosstown LRT 9.2 km farther west into Etobicoke and Mississauga.
www.metrolinx.com
37,000
Example of 2031 projection:
Ontario Newsroom
news.ontario.ca
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Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
By 2031, they will be planning to extend Line 6 eastward to Yonge Street or beyond. And maybe planning to extend Line 4 westward to Sheppard West Station or beyond. Heard that Steeles Avenue could get a busway. So people don't have to go down so far south.Michael Lindsay and Metrolinx could be conflating ridership (unique trips) with boardings. Edited previous post to include that.
As I've mentioned before, there are already reports of overcrowding. As for future ridership, Eglinton's peak eventual capacity doesn't lend itself to much further densification. It's a self-correcting issue, if any. The best/worst case is that further development moves to other corridors (likely Sheppard if a west and east extension actually happen).
123,000 should be for 2026. The 2031 numbers are higher at 162,000 boardings. Apparently another 69,700 or 37,000 when the Western extension opens. Or whatever number they've "projected" or "calculated".
Grand River breaks down the difference between (unique?) ridership and boardings: https://www.grt.ca/about-grt/ridership-and-performance/
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69,700
Eglinton Crosstown West Extension
Extending the Eglinton Crosstown LRT 9.2 km farther west into Etobicoke and Mississauga.www.metrolinx.com
37,000
Example of 2031 projection:
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Ontario Newsroom
urbanclient
Senior Member
I myself am doubtful of this happening, unless they run it through the hydro corridor. A decent connection to Finch station near Yonge street is very possible even if it runs in the hydro corridor. Tunnelling to get to Yonge and beyond doesn't seem worth it at all.
Steeles has the room, it really should get a busway. At least bus lanes.
My point about further development was referring to having people live and work outside of downtown. If we're treating east-west corridors/potential rail lines as merely funnels for Line 1 (and Line 3), then naturally more development would be pushed towards downtown.
Contrary to that, my hope is that areas outside of downtown will densify as well. But that's a shot in the dark when Toronto is a large island of skyscrapers surrounded by a sea of low density with a few islets like Yonge-Eglinton, North York Centre, Scarborough City Centre sprinkled here and there. I don't see the areas surrounding Eglinton or Lawrence densifying much in my lifetime. Sure some mid-rises will pop up along the streets themselves, but the surrounding sea of low density is here to stay IMO.
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81-717
Active Member
Currently on L1 towards VMC, 1st time in idk how long, hearing "next station: Cedarvale [instead of Eg. W]" caught me slightly off-guard lol
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
Will probably come to regret the limited capacity of using LRV vehicles especially since they can’t be ramped up to 90 second frequencies. Unlike a light metro that can also be wider and open gangways and doors that actually open on their own.
Voltz
Senior Member
The projected demand says otherwise
urbanclient
Senior Member
That's the thing, regardless of who turns out to be right today, 2031, or 2050, do we want more transit demand (and less car demand comparatively) or do we want less transit demand? Induced demand applies not just to highways, but transit as well.