DirectionNorth
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Without those subway stations, I'd have never heard about them.
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trtcttc
Senior Member
Those more obscure names become associated with the station and the area, which in itself become a POI. But names like Eglinton, Queen, King, Dundas, would become confusing once there are other major transit options that pass that road in a completely different area (Crosstown, Ontario Line). I’ve picked up a visitor to the city when we were on the UP ask me if we should get off at Dundas West, since he was going to an airbnb close to Dundas (the TTC stop). Obviously he’d check Google Maps before actually getting off, but by that logic, we can just name the stops, line 1A, 1B, etc. If we have names, they should really make sense.
kotsy
Senior Member
This is why they should just call the stations the full intersection Eglinton-Yonge, King-University, Dundas-Yonge etc. It works for bus stops and Sheppard-Yonge Station, why not use the same naming scheme for all stations where a duplicate name would've happened otherwise.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Because Metrolinx only steps on the TTC's shoes when it only benefits them. If both parties or only the TTC benefit, Metrolinx will always make the worst decision.
Steve X
Senior Member
This wouldn't be necessary if the station lies on the line with the same name. Islington on the Line 2 Bloor-Danforth line would be either on Islington/Bloor or Islington/Danforth (which doesn't exist). It wouldn't be Islington on Line 5. However, since the PA system sucks on the trains or station, announcements get cut off or interrupted, having separate station name would help. Since an issue at Islington on Line 2 would be announced across the system. This would cause confusion on Line 5. This would be an issue if people only hear Dundas when there are Dundas West, Dundas-University and Dundas-Yonge Station names.
It also increases the length of the announcements if they have to say:
"There is no service from St George-Bloor Station to King-University Station due to an security incident at Dundas-University Station"
instead of
"There is no service from St George Station to St. Andrew Station due to an security incident at St. Patrick Station"
As you can see the sentence itself is already 15% longer by letters and 20% longer by syllables (32 vs 40). Making communication harder to get a message out is pretty counterproductive especially when no additional information is added.
Amare
Senior Member
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27 Jane South
Renamed Southern Section of 35 Jane
City wards: Ward 5 - York South-Weston
Time periods: All times
The section of the 35 Jane south of Eglinton Ave will operate as a separate route between the new Mount Dennis Station on Line 5 to Jane Station on Line 2, and will be renamed to the 27 Jane South. By separating the 27 Jane South from the 35 Jane, customers can expect more reliable service on the route and service levels better tailored to ridership demand. In addition, along with 35 Jane, this portion of the route will be adjusted to terminate at the new Mount Dennis Station on Line 5 to provide a new direct connection for customers to the rapid transit line.
Buses on the 27 Jane South will operate from Mount Dennis Station via Keelesdale Rd, Photography Dr, south on Jane St to Jane Station on Line 2. Overall, this change will make service better for customers and for this reason it is recommended.
Renamed Southern Section of 35 Jane
City wards: Ward 5 - York South-Weston
Time periods: All times
The section of the 35 Jane south of Eglinton Ave will operate as a separate route between the new Mount Dennis Station on Line 5 to Jane Station on Line 2, and will be renamed to the 27 Jane South. By separating the 27 Jane South from the 35 Jane, customers can expect more reliable service on the route and service levels better tailored to ridership demand. In addition, along with 35 Jane, this portion of the route will be adjusted to terminate at the new Mount Dennis Station on Line 5 to provide a new direct connection for customers to the rapid transit line.
Buses on the 27 Jane South will operate from Mount Dennis Station via Keelesdale Rd, Photography Dr, south on Jane St to Jane Station on Line 2. Overall, this change will make service better for customers and for this reason it is recommended.
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35 Jane
Adjusted to Terminate at the New Mount Dennis Station on Line 5
City wards: Ward 5 - York South-Weston
Time periods: All times
The recommended 35 Jane route will be adjusted to terminate at the new Mount Dennis Station on Line 5, providing customers on Jane St north of Eglinton Ave West with a
direct connection to Line 5. In addition, by shortening the 35 Jane to Eglinton Ave and serving the southern section of the route with the 27 Jane South, customers can expect more reliable service on the route and service levels better tailored to ridership demand. Customers that are travelling through Eglinton Ave can still make use of 935 Jane Express, which will remain unchanged. The 35 Jane service will continue to operate two branches. The 35A will operate from Pioneer Village Station to Mount Dennis Station via Steeles Ave West, Jane St, Eglinton Ave West, Keelesdale Rd, Photography Dr to Mount Dennis Station. The 35B service will operate during peak periods from Pioneer
Village Station to Mount Dennis Station along the same route with the addition of Peter Kaiser Gate, Hullmar Dr and York Gate.
The change would provide a direct connection to customers transferring to Line 5. This change would make service worse for customers currently travelling across Jane St
through Eglinton Ave West as they would experience longer travel times and an additional transfer between 35 Jane and 27 Jane South at Mount Dennis Station. As
well, those who choose to utilize 935 Jane Express instead might experience longer walk and wait times due to the limited stop and less frequent service. However, the
change in weighted travel time shows that the benefit of the new connection to Line 5 is greater than the inconvenience of the additional transfer or walk and wait time. Overall,
the change would make service better for customers and therefore is recommended.
They have added left turn signals to the southbound Jane & Eglinton intersection, but not yet activated. Currently, they have left signals for the northbound Jane & Eglinton intersection. Would have thought they would have improved the farside eastbound bus stop at the Jane & Eglinton intersection, but is currently just the right traffic lane.
Adjusted to Terminate at the New Mount Dennis Station on Line 5
City wards: Ward 5 - York South-Weston
Time periods: All times
The recommended 35 Jane route will be adjusted to terminate at the new Mount Dennis Station on Line 5, providing customers on Jane St north of Eglinton Ave West with a
direct connection to Line 5. In addition, by shortening the 35 Jane to Eglinton Ave and serving the southern section of the route with the 27 Jane South, customers can expect more reliable service on the route and service levels better tailored to ridership demand. Customers that are travelling through Eglinton Ave can still make use of 935 Jane Express, which will remain unchanged. The 35 Jane service will continue to operate two branches. The 35A will operate from Pioneer Village Station to Mount Dennis Station via Steeles Ave West, Jane St, Eglinton Ave West, Keelesdale Rd, Photography Dr to Mount Dennis Station. The 35B service will operate during peak periods from Pioneer
Village Station to Mount Dennis Station along the same route with the addition of Peter Kaiser Gate, Hullmar Dr and York Gate.
The change would provide a direct connection to customers transferring to Line 5. This change would make service worse for customers currently travelling across Jane St
through Eglinton Ave West as they would experience longer travel times and an additional transfer between 35 Jane and 27 Jane South at Mount Dennis Station. As
well, those who choose to utilize 935 Jane Express instead might experience longer walk and wait times due to the limited stop and less frequent service. However, the
change in weighted travel time shows that the benefit of the new connection to Line 5 is greater than the inconvenience of the additional transfer or walk and wait time. Overall,
the change would make service better for customers and therefore is recommended.
They have added left turn signals to the southbound Jane & Eglinton intersection, but not yet activated. Currently, they have left signals for the northbound Jane & Eglinton intersection. Would have thought they would have improved the farside eastbound bus stop at the Jane & Eglinton intersection, but is currently just the right traffic lane.
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34 Eglinton
Adjusted to Serve Parallel the entire length of Line 5
City wards: Ward 5 - York South-Weston, Ward 8 - Eglinton-Lawrence, Ward 9 -
Davenport, Ward 12 - Toronto-St. Paul's, Ward 15 - Don Valley West, Ward 16 - Don
Valley East, Ward 21 - Scarborough Centre
Time periods: All times
This recommended route will be adjusted to operate parallel to Line 5, serving all surface transit stops on the corridor from Mount Dennis Station to Kennedy Station. The
purpose of 34 Eglinton is to provide local transit access along the Eglinton Ave corridor. The original proposal for this route was to operate parallel to the below-grade portion of
Line 5, from Mount Dennis Station to Science Centre Station, serving all surface transit stops on this segment. However, during the consultations for the 2022 ASP, many
customers and stakeholders highlighted the importance of access to local transit, including along the above-ground portion of Line 5 east of Science Centre Station. In
order to address this, we adjusted the proposal for 34 Eglinton to run parallel the entire length of Line 5.
Existing customers travelling through Yonge St today will no longer be required to transfer between the 34 Eglinton and 32 Eglinton West unless travelling beyond Mount
Dennis Station. Customers travelling along the Eglinton Ave corridor will have the option to use Line 5 or 34 Eglinton to make the trip from Kennedy Station to Mount Dennis
Station. Selecting Line 5 to travel across the corridor would decrease overall travel times for users and eliminate the transfer currently required to travel across Yonge St.
For users seeking a shorter access distance to local transit stops, the 34 Eglinton will continue to make all local stops along the corridor, and will also provide service across
Yonge St, eliminating the current need for a transfer. The consolidation of service on the Eglinton corridor would result in some increased wait times for users of the 34 Eglinton, but these would be significantly outweighed by the reduction in travel time on the corridor via Line 5. Overall, this change is an improvement for customers and, therefore, is recommended.
Adjusted to Serve Parallel the entire length of Line 5
City wards: Ward 5 - York South-Weston, Ward 8 - Eglinton-Lawrence, Ward 9 -
Davenport, Ward 12 - Toronto-St. Paul's, Ward 15 - Don Valley West, Ward 16 - Don
Valley East, Ward 21 - Scarborough Centre
Time periods: All times
This recommended route will be adjusted to operate parallel to Line 5, serving all surface transit stops on the corridor from Mount Dennis Station to Kennedy Station. The
purpose of 34 Eglinton is to provide local transit access along the Eglinton Ave corridor. The original proposal for this route was to operate parallel to the below-grade portion of
Line 5, from Mount Dennis Station to Science Centre Station, serving all surface transit stops on this segment. However, during the consultations for the 2022 ASP, many
customers and stakeholders highlighted the importance of access to local transit, including along the above-ground portion of Line 5 east of Science Centre Station. In
order to address this, we adjusted the proposal for 34 Eglinton to run parallel the entire length of Line 5.
Existing customers travelling through Yonge St today will no longer be required to transfer between the 34 Eglinton and 32 Eglinton West unless travelling beyond Mount
Dennis Station. Customers travelling along the Eglinton Ave corridor will have the option to use Line 5 or 34 Eglinton to make the trip from Kennedy Station to Mount Dennis
Station. Selecting Line 5 to travel across the corridor would decrease overall travel times for users and eliminate the transfer currently required to travel across Yonge St.
For users seeking a shorter access distance to local transit stops, the 34 Eglinton will continue to make all local stops along the corridor, and will also provide service across
Yonge St, eliminating the current need for a transfer. The consolidation of service on the Eglinton corridor would result in some increased wait times for users of the 34 Eglinton, but these would be significantly outweighed by the reduction in travel time on the corridor via Line 5. Overall, this change is an improvement for customers and, therefore, is recommended.
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100 Flemingdon Park
Revised Service to Eglinton Avenue East and Additional branch operating on
Linkwood Lane
City wards: Ward 14 - Toronto-Danforth, Ward 15 - Don Valley West, Ward 16 - Don
Valley East
Time periods: All times
The recommended 100 Flemingdon Park bus route will be restructured around the Eglinton Ave East and Don Mills Rd area to terminate at Science Centre Station. This change will provide new and faster connections to Line 5 and the Eglinton Ave corridor, especially for residents of the Flemingdon Park and Thorncliffe Park neighbourhoods.
The 100A Flemingdon Park will operate from Broadview Station to Science Centre Station via Grenoble Dr. Service along Linkwood Ln, currently operated by 34C Eglinton East, will be replaced by 100B Flemingdon Park.
During the consultation process for the 2022 ASP, a major concern brought forward by participants was the lack of an accessible connection between route 100 Flemingdon Park and Wynford Station on Line 5. As a result, the City of Toronto plans to build an accessible ramp to connect Wynford Dr and Eglinton Ave East to mitigate this issue.
The changes to the 100 Flemingdon Park and its branches will decrease service duplication on Grenoble Dr and will also result in more direct connections to the city core and the Eglinton Ave corridor through the Line 5 transfers. The direct connection to Line 5 will reduce travel time for customers and attract more riders to the network. Overall, this change is an improvement for customers and, therefore, is recommended.
Revised Service to Eglinton Avenue East and Additional branch operating on
Linkwood Lane
City wards: Ward 14 - Toronto-Danforth, Ward 15 - Don Valley West, Ward 16 - Don
Valley East
Time periods: All times
The recommended 100 Flemingdon Park bus route will be restructured around the Eglinton Ave East and Don Mills Rd area to terminate at Science Centre Station. This change will provide new and faster connections to Line 5 and the Eglinton Ave corridor, especially for residents of the Flemingdon Park and Thorncliffe Park neighbourhoods.
The 100A Flemingdon Park will operate from Broadview Station to Science Centre Station via Grenoble Dr. Service along Linkwood Ln, currently operated by 34C Eglinton East, will be replaced by 100B Flemingdon Park.
During the consultation process for the 2022 ASP, a major concern brought forward by participants was the lack of an accessible connection between route 100 Flemingdon Park and Wynford Station on Line 5. As a result, the City of Toronto plans to build an accessible ramp to connect Wynford Dr and Eglinton Ave East to mitigate this issue.
The changes to the 100 Flemingdon Park and its branches will decrease service duplication on Grenoble Dr and will also result in more direct connections to the city core and the Eglinton Ave corridor through the Line 5 transfers. The direct connection to Line 5 will reduce travel time for customers and attract more riders to the network. Overall, this change is an improvement for customers and, therefore, is recommended.
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51 Leslie and 56 Leaside
Service Reallocation and Extension to Donlands Station
City wards: Ward 12 - Toronto-St. Paul's, Ward 14 - Toronto-Danforth, Ward 15 - Don
Valley West, Ward 16 - Don Valley East, Ward 17 - Don Valley North
Time periods: All times
The 56 Leaside route will be cancelled, and its service will be reallocated to the restructured 51 Leslie, which will extend to Donlands Station on Line 2.
From Donlands Station, the revised 51 Leslie will travel north along Donlands Ave to serve Laird Station on Line 5, as well as Sunnybrook Park Station, before continuing north along Leslie St. At Lawrence Ave East, the route will branch into the 51A Leslie, which will continue along Leslie St, and the 51B Leslie, which will travel along Lawrence Ave East to Don Mills Rd. The new 51B branch from Donlands Station to The Donway will provide additional service between Eglinton Ave (Line 5) and Line 2, on Leslie St south of Lawrence Ave East, on Lawrence Ave East between Leslie St and Don Mills Rd, and on The Donway East and West.
As a result, customers that currently travel along the Eglinton Ave East corridor on 51Leslie will experience an additional transfer to Line 5, while their in-vehicle travel times
on the Eglinton Ave corridor will decrease. Furthermore, with the addition of 51B, wait times for service on Leslie St between Eglinton Ave East and Lawrence Ave East will decrease. The direct routing from Leslie St to Donlands Station will also eliminate a transfer for customers to access Line 2. Overall, this change reduces weighted travel time for customers using the route and, therefore, is recommended.
Service Reallocation and Extension to Donlands Station
City wards: Ward 12 - Toronto-St. Paul's, Ward 14 - Toronto-Danforth, Ward 15 - Don
Valley West, Ward 16 - Don Valley East, Ward 17 - Don Valley North
Time periods: All times
The 56 Leaside route will be cancelled, and its service will be reallocated to the restructured 51 Leslie, which will extend to Donlands Station on Line 2.
From Donlands Station, the revised 51 Leslie will travel north along Donlands Ave to serve Laird Station on Line 5, as well as Sunnybrook Park Station, before continuing north along Leslie St. At Lawrence Ave East, the route will branch into the 51A Leslie, which will continue along Leslie St, and the 51B Leslie, which will travel along Lawrence Ave East to Don Mills Rd. The new 51B branch from Donlands Station to The Donway will provide additional service between Eglinton Ave (Line 5) and Line 2, on Leslie St south of Lawrence Ave East, on Lawrence Ave East between Leslie St and Don Mills Rd, and on The Donway East and West.
As a result, customers that currently travel along the Eglinton Ave East corridor on 51Leslie will experience an additional transfer to Line 5, while their in-vehicle travel times
on the Eglinton Ave corridor will decrease. Furthermore, with the addition of 51B, wait times for service on Leslie St between Eglinton Ave East and Lawrence Ave East will decrease. The direct routing from Leslie St to Donlands Station will also eliminate a transfer for customers to access Line 2. Overall, this change reduces weighted travel time for customers using the route and, therefore, is recommended.
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54 Lawrence East
Revised Routing on Eglinton and Extension to Science Centre Station
City wards: Ward 12 - Toronto-St. Paul's, Ward 15 - Don Valley West, Ward 16 - Don
Valley East, Ward 21 - Scarborough Centre, Ward 24 - Scarborough Guildwood, Ward
25 - Scarborough-Rouge Park
Time periods: All times
The recommended 54 Lawrence East route will be adjusted to terminate at the new Science Centre Station to provide a direct connection to Line 5 while removing service duplication along Eglinton Ave East. From the new Science Centre Station, the route will travel north along Don Mills Rd, to Lawrence Ave East. Its former routing along Leslie St will be served by the 51 Leslie.
Current 54 Lawrence East customers travelling along Eglinton Ave will have a direct transfer to the 34 Eglinton or Line 5. The more direct connection to Line 5 via Don Mills Rd will result in shorter in-vehicle travel times for customers travelling along the Eglinton Ave corridor and those travelling to the city core. However, this change would make service worse for customers using the 54 Lawrence East to travel across Lawrence Ave East through Don Mills Rd, who will need to transfer between the 54 Lawrence East and 51 Leslie routes. In order to connect to Line 5 and the Eglinton Ave corridor, customers will have the option of the 54 Lawrence East and the 954 Lawrence East Express,
which will result in shorter travel times overall, and will attract new users to the service. Overall, this change reduces weighted travel time for customers using the route and,
therefore, is recommended.
Revised Routing on Eglinton and Extension to Science Centre Station
City wards: Ward 12 - Toronto-St. Paul's, Ward 15 - Don Valley West, Ward 16 - Don
Valley East, Ward 21 - Scarborough Centre, Ward 24 - Scarborough Guildwood, Ward
25 - Scarborough-Rouge Park
Time periods: All times
The recommended 54 Lawrence East route will be adjusted to terminate at the new Science Centre Station to provide a direct connection to Line 5 while removing service duplication along Eglinton Ave East. From the new Science Centre Station, the route will travel north along Don Mills Rd, to Lawrence Ave East. Its former routing along Leslie St will be served by the 51 Leslie.
Current 54 Lawrence East customers travelling along Eglinton Ave will have a direct transfer to the 34 Eglinton or Line 5. The more direct connection to Line 5 via Don Mills Rd will result in shorter in-vehicle travel times for customers travelling along the Eglinton Ave corridor and those travelling to the city core. However, this change would make service worse for customers using the 54 Lawrence East to travel across Lawrence Ave East through Don Mills Rd, who will need to transfer between the 54 Lawrence East and 51 Leslie routes. In order to connect to Line 5 and the Eglinton Ave corridor, customers will have the option of the 54 Lawrence East and the 954 Lawrence East Express,
which will result in shorter travel times overall, and will attract new users to the service. Overall, this change reduces weighted travel time for customers using the route and,
therefore, is recommended.