Now AS+GG.

From a presentation at CTBUH:

https://bsky.app/profile/alexbozikovic.bsky.social/post/3m2nmcgf4qc2j
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Almost purely residential but with the bland, corporate soullessness of a purely office district -- fun!

This! 100%

The proposal should be a flat no.

Not happening, no way, no how.

In turn, we should just cancel East Harbour Station entirely for the next while except for enabling works that are necessary w/the new Broadview underpass.

I mean the station as a proposal has been trashed beyond recognition, most of this latest iteration of development won't be ready until the late 2030s away..........there's no justification for a station w/o it.

Just stop.

Complete re-think here.

Also this:

That strip of parkland by Lake Shore is kind of pointless - as if the city ceases to exist at that boundary. Like - why bother stepping the podium along the Lake Shore?

AoD

Can someone please explain that bizarre massing by Lakeshore? That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

There are no quick fixes here, but lets get a starting point:

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Natural/Major Parks to MVVA
Masterplan to Allies
Small public spaces to CCxAA
Stern/Allies to design to 2-3 buildings that provide a heritage vibe linking to past industrial uses
But make the Lakeshore fronting stuff modern and different and give it to 3XN

But a preliminary reorg. above. Unmarked areas would be mostly conventional midrise, with public spaces.
 
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This! 100%

The proposal should be a flat no.

Not happening, no way, no how.

In turn, we should just cancel East Harbour Station entirely for the next while except for enabling works that are necessary w/the new Broadview underpass.

I mean the station is proposal has been trashed beyond recognition, most of this latest iteration of development won't be ready until the late 2030s away..........there's no justification for a station w/o it.

Just stop.

Complete re-think here.
I'm in full agreement, this is a trashed up vision for a site. Actually I cant even call this a vision, it's visionless and uninspired.

I agree that East Harbour station should be deferred indefinitely, but that ship has long sailed. Actually due to our current premier who's just oh so infinite in his wisdom, I feel like he'll even double down and use the station as justification to grant CF their stupid request to convert the land so residential can go ahead.

We have to remember we're not dealing with a logical premier, IO and the city can and may be "opposed" at surface to the land designation change, but Doug Ford is the kind of person who would be all about it.

I'd be happy with Cadillac Fairview sitting on the land and bleeding money on it. It's not our fault they decided to make the decision to take it off of First Gulf's lap. Let them pay for that decision, not us.
 
Ugh. And they already demoed the only really interesting thing on site, the soap factory. I'd like to be more of a booster for this city, but it's tough when we're in this place where dev's cheapen and cut until there's nothing left but vapourware and a dearth of vision. (and I get it with socio economic factors at play but)
We invested billions in flood protections to get this area serviceable for a future neighbourhood, we can't just plan will nilly and put up neighbours reminiscent of City Place. My fear with these token office components is they could easily be nixed or made into office condos, not unlike what you see in the Hullmark Centre - though I'm sure this area would have more success down the line being more central and closer to Union/downtown.
 
Ugh. And they already demoed the only really interesting thing on site, the soap factory. I'd like to be more of a booster for this city, but it's tough when we're in this place where dev's cheapen and cut until there's nothing left but vapourware and a dearth of vision. (and I get it with socio economic factors at play but)
We invested billions in flood protections to get this area serviceable for a future neighbourhood, we can't just plan will nilly and put up neighbours reminiscent of City Place. My fear with these token office components is they could easily be nixed or made into office condos, not unlike what you see in the Hullmark Centre - though I'm sure this area would have more success down the line being more central and closer to Union/downtown.
My personal take is that we’re in a super bad period right now, because I think everyone from politicians to voters to the completely disinterested are being overwhelmed by everything in life, and that’s in general before you even get to folks just trying to keep up with capitalism.

So what we have is a dearth of imagination if not hope, not on a scale to move action. I look back on the Miller years when it seems there were a lot of young people being civically minded and engaged. Hell put that to the Obama years too-

But now it’s all about having to make a buck, no allegiances beyond sports teams, and a disenchantment with the systems meant to bring us together to do something special and lasting. We’re all in our phones, trying to side hustle to pay rent and have left building to the multi billionaires, who- if we’re lucky DON’T have a utopian idea for the future. Cuz ugh, have you seen what they really think about humanity? Eep.

Put up slop, nobody has a choice but to buy or rent- if the economy goes down the rich will get bailed out, cuz god forbid we punish these “builders of society”.

East Harbour is yet another brilliant opportunity to build a new community using emerging tech that weaves seamlessly into environmental protections. But political and economic forecasts will likely put it as an austere recession build, if that. The flood plain work will be done, and people will move into these buildings because it’s tied to major transit. Govt officials will show up to cut ribbons and backslap and Torontonians will still complain about crap transit and traffic (as if they aren’t part of it).

I know it’s a long shot but I’m transferring my optimism to the Innisfil Orb, or whatever it’s called.

(Also I will momentarily not go to look up that project for fear the cheapening has occurred there already. No spoilers)

Maybe we can have greater hope for the areas around GO stations outside the city, which seem moribund at best rn.
 

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