Wrong application.

You've linked to the Northcrest App, not the Canada Lands App.
Oh. I went to the West District website and followed the link to documents. My bad.



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Application to the AIC is now in, and public facing:


@Paclo

The preview we got here was quite thorough, so not much new info at this stage.

This is interesting, a ground-floor plan at the scale of the site:

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3 things I would focus people's attention on:

1) The Bold Red Lines are retail; this curiously implies the site will not have any retail on its Sheppard elevation. I now really wish to see how that is envisioned, and whether the City will go for that.

2) The red arrows / thin lines show vehicle access into the site. Some of the suggested access/patterns of same have vehicles penetrating what are indicated as pedestrian zones, and interior courtyard spaces. I'll be open minded on this, but I want to see some further detail on how that's proposed to work, and whether the intrusion is limited to some loading functions or material amounts of parking.

3) The green spine pedestrian corridor running between Carl Hall Road and Tuscan Gate, roughly parallel to Sheppard W has some quirks to it, including having to cross multiple streets, presumably without protected crossings?, Something you can see when the image is enlarged, the minimum width of the corridor is 15M at all times, with much wider spaces in parks/courtyards. This should be adequate for capacity and public safety purposes, though the details will matter, particularly if heavy naturalized landscapes are employed. (at pinch points) .

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In answer to my own queries above, I found this image which adds drive-way/ramp access to underground and improves the understanding of the Site Plan:

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So they've tried to limit vehicle movement volume (access) across the spine; though that is interrupted at the south end of same.

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In light of many discussions about ROW width at McCleary and Villiers, the map of same here may provoke discussion:

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I don't want to clutter this post or thread with stuff from McCleary, but to allow people to compare, I will link below to my post that illustrates the ROWs at McCleary:


The Cycling and Pedestrian Network:

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Now a couple of description pages:

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I'm going to pause here to note than the City's goal for tree canopy City-wide is 40%, while this Site Plan proposes 25%.

Its important, of course, place the above in context, preservation of the two large depots, limits the amount of tree canopy. I'm not arguing against that, but I think
its an important illustration of public policy trades, where one seeks to preserve heritage and reduce waste, but in so-doing limits tree canopy which increases the heat sink affect in summer, which in turn drives up use of energy-intensive air conditioning. I won't argue for/against, I merely wish to illustrate how when you pull one thing, you push another, and getting the balance right can be a challenge.

Further to context, we have also want to consider the expanse of Downsview Park itself, as well as the woodlot preservration in the Arbor proposal to the north, when looking at canopy. I'd actually like to see a projected tree canopy over the entire Downsview Site, the flagship park included. I would certainly hope we will meet or exceed 40%, and if we do, great. I would note, 40% is not some nirvana, and if you laid things out 'just so' I think you might hope for closer to 60%, but in fairness to the City, that's very challenging to do, particularly if you're looking at tall buildings above the canopy height.

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I think we'll leave it there for now UT.

Follow the link for more.
 
This site will have the already built Downsview GO Station and Downsview Park and Sheppard West subway stations; and quite possibly a new GO station further south near Wilson, and quite probably, a Sheppard subway too.

I know this is super long term thinking but a Sheppard Subway Extension with a station centrally located within the Downsview Secondary Plan area is critically necessary to be built before occupants move in to this neighbourhood. While the Downsview Park GO & TTC stop would be super beneficial to this community, even within the Downsview West District, some of these residents may be too far from high quality transit resulting in high car ownership (and parking). In the interim buses could used to bridge the gap but new communities (especially at this scale) need be developed with high quality transit in mind. Shifting community members out of cars they've already purchased will be a challenge. There are so many neighbourhoods where where car ownership is easy. Downsview has the potential to attract people who'd live to live car free/ car light lives. A GO station at Wilson would definitely help, but I think it's a bit far away from the core of the community to be considered a walkable station for many. When Downsview Park Station first opened it had terrible ridership (and it still does), but it soon will be a critical link for this master planned community. The cost of transit isn't going to get cheaper the longer we wait; in order to create Transit Oriented Communities, transit needs to exist. There aren't very many projects of this scale and scope in the city, it is critical we get it right.
 
Surprised Alex is in favour. Seems like an underwhelming amount of density beside the subway station, run-of-the-mill, too-wide Ontario boulevards bisecting all over this district. Lots set aside for green space, but not used effectively to create community focal points

Bill 212 shows how hard it is to claw back space from car dependency. The city should be building using these large sites to build the first car-free or extremely car-light neighbourhoods
 
I have strong doubts that there would be enough major retail presence in this neighbourhood to enable anything close to car-light.
 
Between No Friills and Walmart - and Yorkdale a short subway ride away - feels like this is about as well-positioned for a car-free lifestyle as any greenfield neighbourhood in the burbs is likely to be

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I have strong doubts that there would be enough major retail presence in this neighbourhood to enable anything close to car-light.

Given the sites current conditions there is very minimal retail activity, but looking beyond just the Downsview West District once you bring over one hundred thousand new residents to the Downsview Secondary Plan area, new retail opportunities should present itself. If the community was deigned to provide quick access to the rest of the city, in particularly North York Centre, Vaughan Metropolitan Centre, Scarborough City Centre, and Yorkdale via a one seat ride on the subway and Union Station via the GO train, I think it has a fighting chance to allow a majority of residents the ability to live car free or car light outside of the downtown core. If the alternative was driving on the 401 or any other roadway for that matter, transit would without a doubt be the fastest mode to get to all of these employment and retail centres.

Bill 212 shows how hard it is to claw back space from car dependency. The city should be building using these large sites to build the first car-free or extremely car-light neighbourhoods

You are right, if the community gets designed with the car in mind, it's game over. Toronto has an opportunity to create a "suburb" centred around people and not around cars. A Sheppard Subway extension is critical for a project of this scope to come online before the community becomes established. We need to put these Community Benefit Charges to good use, the area might not need transit now, but we will in the future. Living through an era of significant investment while is exciting, is also painfully sad when you recognize the level of not caring happened for so long. I know the ball is rolling for an extension but nothing is funded and things get canceled all too often. Subway tunnels have been excavated and then filled in the city's past before so let's not push the buck with this one and make it the next generations problem. Without transit these community member will have to suffer on the 401, and I don't even wish that on my enemies.
 
Goodness, I can't believe they're leaving that massive depot thing mostly there. It almost taking up a third of this proposed site.

...unless it's being left there for industrial purposes, it should be nuked from high, IMO.
 

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