Reecemartin said:
What happened here? @Northern Light mentioned them being within the budget before I think?
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PEDs are still the plan last I heard. The cost of the PEDs even for the most expensive option is well less than the baseline contingency, for now. I haven't heard anything about de-scoping them yet.
 
I think its really important that they get installed. I think the TTC is underestimating the cost savings from reduced delays and the goodwill from customers. If they become much more desirable we may well see more installed elsewhere. The new lines and extensions will make that much easier.
 
Reecemartin said:
I think its really important that they get installed. I think the TTC is underestimating the cost savings from reduced delays and the goodwill from customers. If they become much more desirable we may well see more installed elsewhere. The new lines and extensions will make that much easier.
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It is certainly sensible that the TTC seems to accept that PEDs are not all or none. Far too often they (and the City) resist good ideas because they can't afford to "do it everywhere". PEDs at Yonge make sense, not so much at Bessarion.
 
DSCToronto said:
It is certainly sensible that the TTC seems to accept that PEDs are not all or none. Far too often they (and the City) resist good ideas because they can't afford to "do it everywhere". PEDs at Yonge make sense, not so much at Bessarion.
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As it so happens, based on the last data I saw, you would be right to rank Bessarion a lower priority.

Though, I would say, the number of suicide attempts doesn't always neatly correlate with passenger volumes.

There are factors in terms of what's nearby.

But also whether a station makes an attempt...... I hate to say easier, but trains enter at a higher speed, but may approach blind.

Targeted deployment to start makes sense, though ultimately there is virtue in its universal deployment in a subway setting as you will push people from one place to another to some degree.

The barriers also serve the secondary purpose of reducing litter on the tracks (if full height). Which can reduce fire/smoke issues as well.
 
DSCToronto said:
It is certainly sensible that the TTC seems to accept that PEDs are not all or none. Far too often they (and the City) resist good ideas because they can't afford to "do it everywhere". PEDs at Yonge make sense, not so much at Bessarion.
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Don't get me wrong, I agree entirely with the premise that it shouldn't be all or nothing.

That being said we should have PEDs everywhere, just not on day one. I'm sure we can get costs down, and the benefits are huge!
 
Northern Light said:
As it so happens, based on the last data I saw, you would be right to rank Bessarion a lower priority.

Though, I would say, the number of suicide attempts doesn't always neatly correlate with passenger volumes.

There are factors in terms of what's nearby.

But also whether a station makes an attempt...... I hate to say easier, but trains enter at a higher speed, but may approach blind.

Targeted deployment to start makes sense, though ultimately there is virtue in its universal deployment in a subway setting as you will push people from one place to another to some degree.

The barriers also serve the secondary purpose of reducing litter on the tracks (if full height). Which can reduce fire/smoke issues as well.
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It doesn't need to correlate with passenger volumes - the goal here isn't (or shouldn't) prevention of suicide per se, but to reduce the impact of these attempts to riders as much as possible by the way of removing them as a possibility at stations and lines where the impact would have been the highest.

AoD
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
It doesn't need to correlate with passenger volumes - the goal here isn't (or shouldn't) prevention of suicide per se
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It wasn't passenger volumes, it was suicide volumes, and Bessarion was zero.

AlvinofDiaspar said:
, but to reduce the impact of these attempts to riders as much as possible by the way of removing them as a possibility at stations and lines where the impact would have been the highest.

AoD
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Well, we could differ some there...........but to be clear, across a range of issues, the purpose (coldly) would be to reduce delays.

High passenger volumes likely correlate with litter, I would think.

I'm not sure if they correlated with non-suicide track intrusion.

Suicides have a pretty large impact anywhere on the system, as traffic is stopped on both sides/in both directions at the effected station, pushing it out the next station with a cross-over.
 
Honest question: is this project still needed and worth the $1.5B, once the Ontario Line and Bloor-Lansdowne GO open?
 
cryogen said:
Honest question: is this project still needed and worth the $1.5B, once the Ontario Line and Bloor-Lansdowne GO open?
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Honest Answer, 'yes'.

Even if population growth stays slower than the recent past, B-Y station has been, already, dangerous full at times during any kind of delay situation.

That's a real concern if an incident, particularly one require evacuation occurs.

Bloor-Lansdowne is not expected to have any impact on Bloor-Yonge. (passenger on Line 2, who are going to Osgoode or the like would presumably disembark at St. George currently. (which is also overcrowded at times, and also slated for a multi-billion dollar expansion.

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The O/L is expected to divert some traffic away from Bloor-Yonge, mostly from Line 2, east of Pape passenger loads. However, the YNSE is expected to backfill that and then some. The TTC is also contemplating tighter headways on Line 1, which means more passengers flowing through each station at any given time.

Keep in mind, the province is still contemplating Toronto proper growing by over 30% and the region about the same, over the next 30 years.
 
There's a picture in the June 2026 Platform Protection Program report that gives you an idea what they are thinking about for the temporary barriers at TMU station.
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