Couple of questions:
  1. Why would the TDSB abandon a Teeple-designed school that's fewer than 20 years old (and that they were very publicly proud of when completed)?
  2. Who pays to build a brand new school on the new site?
  3. The Dollarama + Plaza site is a little bit less than half the size of the existing school site - who makes up the difference and where?
  4. Who pays to reimburse Menkes for the townhouses if they come into play too?
 
ProjectEnd said:
Couple of questions:
  1. Why would the TDSB abandon a Teeple-designed school that's fewer than 20 years old (and that they were very publicly proud of when completed)?
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The TDSB is already considering it.

The school is over capacity.

At the very least it needs a significant addition which would trigger a major renovation.

They have already had discussions with a developer of a nearby site; but they didn't come to a deal.

ProjectEnd said:
  1. Who pays to build a brand new school on the new site?
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The TDSB site is worth more to the developers than their equivalent land to the south.

The height permissions will be taller just by being on Eglinton; but additionally, by being on the north side of the school there is no shadowing concern as a limiting factor.

ProjectEnd said:
  1. The Dollarama + Plaza site is a little bit less than half the size of the existing school site - who makes up the difference and where?
  2. Who pays to reimburse Menkes for the townhouses if they come into play too?
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The total re-arrangement I propose involves 3 developers/parcels; they all shift north; they all get height benefits; the TDSB claims the land to the south.

The difference in real estate value (in large part from the additional height permissions) covers some mix of additional land for the TDSB (a small amount); and partial reconstruction cost; with the MOE grant that would cover a large addition/reno covering the balance.

Edit to Add:

In my discussions, I also mooted that Oxford is having a school requested of it at C-Square.
That all other things being equal, Oxford would rather not; it's a very challenging site to provide some kind of school yard on, and the land is worth more to the City/Oxford at that corner than the Mt. Pleasant one.
It's possible Oxford could pay a small sum towards this in exchange for avoiding the obligation to build a school on its site.
 
Final Report, approval recommended, is headed to the next meeting of TEYCC:


S. 37 benefits:

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Hmmm..........

Even as this was being approved, Bazis and the TDSB were having talks..........

I don't know how they're coming, but formal negotiations were authorized last July.


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Update: July '22



Interesting.....

The timing of the initial proposal call, suggests this may have been a result of my intervention.....

750 Mt Pleasant Road | 182.35m | 56s | Bazis | Rosario Varacalli

Site was sold to Bazis. Based on the precedent being set by 717-733 Mt Pleasant across the street, I think you could probably expect over 30 storeys here. This plaza was never a good expression of urban form, but it has been a staple of the neighbourhood for many years. Will be quite the...
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Right idea guys.....but they really need Menkes in on this..........a better site arrangement is possible.

@AlexBozikovic takes a keen interest in TDSB projects, I will flag him here for his thoughts.
 
That is a HUGE school. Double the size of most previous TDSB Elementary "podium" builds that we have seen to date...
 
HousingNowTO said:
That is a HUGE school. Double the size of most previous TDSB Elementary "podium" builds that we have seen to date...
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Yup.

There are those in the TDSB not fond of this idea because of the challenges with a relatively small school yard and some other shared amenities across a very large building.

The TDSB still wants/needs an additional school near Yonge/Eg; but this idea may buy them a smidge of time.

Though the proposed construction phasing and layout here are a problem, not just from an ideal perspective, but due to lag in delivery time.
 
It's been over a year since the last update. Any news on this project? Would've thought TDSB (even though its a gov't org.) would want to get on this with their school at capacity and the requirement for schools growing in the area.
 
Tormick said:
It's been over a year since the last update. Any news on this project? Would've thought TDSB (even though its a gov't org.) would want to get on this with their school at capacity and the requirement for schools growing in the area.
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TDSB can only move forward with projects that the Provincial Ministry of Education agrees to provide them with the money to proceed with, and on a co-build project where their private partner has already pre-sold 70% of the Condo units (or has Locked-In Capital Financing for 'purpose-built rental'.

This is a deal with many overlapping counter-parties, during an economic downturn --- we will likely be waiting years for this to every get started on construction, especially if there is an early Provincial election in 2005.
 
Bazis or Menkes, any proper site plan here makes way more sense of all the development shifts north to Eglinton, in such a scenario the builders get an easy extra 8 storeys, maybe more, there's no shadowing issues on the school yard,
and the buildings are worth more, they will sell/rent at a slightly higher premium per ft2.

TDSB ideally gets a podium height building, 3s -4s immediately south of the new development which gets no southern podium windows, the school hallway, washrooms and closets abut this wall. The school runs E-W with classrooms w/southern windows, and an L or U shape to provide additional space, then the yard goes at the southern most portion of the site. Even better if you grab the potential redevelopment at Soudan, then the yard can front Soudan, and the school remains to the north but shifts behind development block 3.

Everyone should get in a room together, we're talking lots of towers here, six maybe? Between the various builders, and that means there's an extra 48s tower in there if they swap this out right. All that, and the school can get a better and larger yard with no development on its southern flank.
 
Northern Light said:
Bazis or Menkes, any proper site plan here makes way more sense of all the development shifts north to Eglinton, in such a scenario the builders get an easy extra 8 storeys, maybe more, there's no shadowing issues on the school yard,
and the buildings are worth more, they will sell/rent at a slightly higher premium per ft2.

TDSB ideally gets a podium height building, 3s -4s immediately south of the new development which gets no southern podium windows, the school hallway, washrooms and closets abut this wall. The school runs E-W with classrooms w/southern windows, and an L or U shape to provide additional space, then the yard goes at the southern most portion of the site. Even better if you grab the potential redevelopment at Soudan, then the yard can front Soudan, and the school remains to the north but shifts behind development block 3.

Everyone should get in a room together, we're talking lots of towers here, six maybe? Between the various builders, and that means there's an extra 48s tower in there if they swap this out right. All that, and the school can get a better and larger yard with no development on its southern flank.
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Looks like 7 new towers can fit comfortably in that block

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