Northern Light
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The deck that would go over the TTC building and yard facilities north of the Beltline would become new parkland between the Beltline and the existing Oriole Park.
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The deck that would go over the TTC building and yard facilities north of the Beltline would become new parkland between the Beltline and the existing Oriole Park.
Northern Light
Superstar
I raised some question about that myself just above:
TTC Headquarters Redevelopment 1900 Yonge (City of Toronto, ?s, ?)
https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/planning-development/planning-studies-initiatives/next-stop-davisville/ An in-person meeting happening tonight!
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That said, the City would not likely consider raising the grade of Yonge here, in part because:
1) There is major infrastructure under Yonge which would then be much deeper when you need to access it. Raising the sewer in particular is not feasible, because Toronto's sewers all drain by gravity, no pumps.
2) This would mean cutting down literally well over 100 mature trees
3) It would position Yonge above the cemetery in some areas and that not only has shadowing implications, but drainage ones as well.
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Also, you couldn't place retail here, because the TTC mainline tracks aren't moving, and raising Yonge to the point where the retail was over said tracks would be enormous there's be a huge wall at the edge of Mt. Pleasant.
None of that, however, precludes building over the southern section, it simply wouldn't address Yonge really.
I assume some of the complexities I noted in my post, along w/shadowing the cemetery and potential ROI figured into not looking at that area more closely (but don't know)
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
Oh...so they're planning to add width to it as opposed to lengthening it....
*Pats rounding belly*
...or at least I get that kind of expanding. >.<
Northern Light
Superstar
A good Front Page story on this one, from Julian Mirabelli:
urbantoronto.ca
The first part is good re-cap of what's already known and posted in a thread, but is a solid refresher in advance of the second half of the post, looking at the Design Review Panel's comments on the proposal.
From that portion of the article:
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For the full piece, follow the link above.
"Intensely Aspirational": Feasibility Study Lays Out Vision for TTC Headquarters Redevelopment | UrbanToronto
Toronto is exploring options of redeveloping its TTC lands at Yonge and Davisville, and along with a significant amount of residential and commercial uses, the proposal also includes nearly one hectare of parkland, all of which would be decked over the existing subway tracks, station, and rail yard.
The first part is good re-cap of what's already known and posted in a thread, but is a solid refresher in advance of the second half of the post, looking at the Design Review Panel's comments on the proposal.
From that portion of the article:
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For the full piece, follow the link above.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
I would be fine if they "harvest" the mature trees to manufacture some fine Canadian wood furniture.
jmi22
Active Member
Year and a half later, has Create(nothing)TO even completed a business plan?
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
^...that's an interesting way of putting an "Any news yet?" thread bump. >.<
This is CreateTO's current timeline for this, as per the project page
It was also included in the Toronto Builds Policy Framework
jmi22
Active Member
Was itching to deploy my newly thought of slanderous nickname for the organization, especially knowing real news will be years out
.One has to wonder if it would have been more valuable to spend the millions we've put into CreateTO salaries into TCH maintenance instead, at least we would have seen something done by now.
jmi22
Active Member
Even in our most optimistic timelines, it takes longer for the City of Toronto to erect a building than to put a man on the moon.
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Superstar
There is no reality where this is complete in 2032.
Northern Light
Superstar
That is completely un-true and showing in this very section in of UT.
Lots of buildings have gone from Zoning to occupancy in under 5 years. Its true that many more have not; but a lot of that is on builders who have their approvals and sit on them, as well as builders who don't submit site plans after obtaining zoning because they never had any intention of building in the first place, it was merely a value-building zone/flip.
I really dislike these carried away statements that have literally no connection to reality.
There are projects, both public and private for which the City should be roasted for endless delays.............but this more general, and erroneous statement is unhelpful in resolving that.
Northern Light
Superstar
Certainly not if we mean the entire decking over the yards and a bit portion of the open cut as well.
I think its plausible that a first building on the site could be complete by 2032, but not the entire idea.
Lets add, that in the current market, the decking proposals that were thought of for residential certainly don't make much economic sense, and those intended for parks that would have been funded by the development seem unlikely to materialize without a windfall from another source.
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Superstar
In a healthy market with private industry controlling things, yes, that's entirely reasonable. If controlled or even partnered with CreateTO and in this market? Not a chance in hell...
