[starlinnitschke8]

Sure, this would be great, but it even physically possible to do? You have 20 m to work with on most streetcar routes.

What options are there to make it viable?

They can push the streetcars to one side of the road, similar to Cherry St & Queen's Quay, but then most people will tell you that the turn radius makes that impossible (even if streetcars can veer towards the centre of the road before making a tight turn for example at Carlton and Parliament. Still wouldn't leave room for platforms on both sides.

It would be nice, but short of making every street a transit mall I don't see how what you are describing is possible. ROWs where passengers still need to cross live traffic lanes isn't a great option either imo.

One of my ideas would be to give the entire streetcar system the Roncy treatment.

Roncy + if you will.

No ROWs, but bumped out platforms cars can't drive through, so passengers can board safely. Combine that with signal priority, 500 m stop spacing and the pièce de résistance eliminating left turns on all streetcar routes.

This wouldn't be very expensive to implement either. It's just enhanced platforms/stops, activating existing signal priority and some no left turn signs. It wouldn't require tearing up the tracks to rebuild them in ROW.

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Roncy+ sounds practical safer boarding, signal priority, no left turns without huge costs or ROW rebuilds. It could work well for many routes!

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

MX's 2051 vision includes both a 407 Burlington-Oshawa light metro and the Ontario Line looping its west and east branches along the 407 - I wonder if this will materialize as interlining with express and local services?

 

[micheal_can]

MX's 2051 vision includes both a 407 Burlington-Oshawa light metro and the Ontario Line looping its west and east branches along the 407 - I wonder if this will materialize as interlining with express and local services?

Any link to that?

 

[urbancog]

Don’t think the Metrolinx 2051 plan has been revealed yet but this ^ likely refers to the MTO overall 2051 transportation plan, pg 23

 

[afransen]

I wonder if MX is scaling back its ambitions somewhat given its inability to deliver projects on time or on budget.

 

[Sunnyside]

Don’t think the Metrolinx 2051 plan has been revealed yet but this ^ likely refers to the MTO overall 2051 transportation plan, pg 23

Correct. The next RTP update is where we will see Metrolinx’s 2051 vision, which we should have seen by now, but is in progress. It should incorporate the MTO’s plans seen here, but the extent of actual crossover is unclear. I take the MTO plan as an intermediary/indicator of where MX is going with theirs.

There are also some GIS layers floating around showing what may or may not be part of the next plan, mostly just showing new priority corridors for the outer GGH, which have now become part of MX jurisdiction.

The 407-403 corridor makes complete sense, but the transit climate is looking quite rough. I am wary of MX over-committing once again, or showing us a dismally realistic plan that has scrapped most initiatives.

 

[Woodbridge_Heights]

On retail. This is a tricky problem. Most stations already have the "Gateway newstand" retail available. Many of the busiest stations are located in the downtown core have limited space, and are easily accessible to the PATH network. Yes one would need to exit the station (specifically the fare paid section) but this raises the main problem with any station retail. Having the retail in the fare paid area limits the customer base to people already on the network, and there's rarely anything worthwhile enough to justify getting off at a station en route to you destination just to pick up something only available at that station (the old beef patty shop in woodbine station comes to mind). Having retail outside the fare paid zone exposes the shop to more customers but also to more competition (as seen in the path example above).

I don't think the retail situation on the network is terrible, yes it could be improved but as I said this is limited because the stations that might benefit most are the ones with limited space to do so.

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

Don’t think the Metrolinx 2051 plan has been revealed yet but this ^ likely refers to the MTO overall 2051 transportation plan, pg 23

Yes, I meant to say MTO

 

[enter username]

I was looking at the development circles for the approved Major Transit Station Areas in the downtown core and noticed most of the existing Carleton streetcar line would fill in the remaining gaps with a few key stations. I made a diagram below... I wonder how feasible it would be to transform this route into LRT/metro level service

 

[J0hn_Williams]

Correct. The next RTP update is where we will see Metrolinx’s 2051 vision, which we should have seen by now, but is in progress. It should incorporate the MTO’s plans seen here, but the extent of actual crossover is unclear. I take the MTO plan as an intermediary/indicator of where MX is going with theirs.

There are also some GIS layers floating around showing what may or may not be part of the next plan, mostly just showing new priority corridors for the outer GGH, which have now become part of MX jurisdiction.

The 407-403 corridor makes complete sense, but the transit climate is looking quite rough. I am wary of MX over-committing once again, or showing us a dismally realistic plan that has scrapped most initiatives.

The gap between MTO’s high-level vision and what Metrolinx eventually commits to has always been tricky especially given how many past plans ended up scaled down or indefinitely delayed. The inclusion of the 407–403 corridor is promising on paper, but without serious funding or political momentum, it risks being another placeholder. I’m also curious whether any of those GIS priority layers signal real investment or just jurisdictional housekeeping. Hopefully the upcoming RTP update offers more than just cautious optimism.

 

[Sunnyside]

The gap between MTO’s high-level vision and what Metrolinx eventually commits to has always been tricky especially given how many past plans ended up scaled down or indefinitely delayed. The inclusion of the 407–403 corridor is promising on paper, but without serious funding or political momentum, it risks being another placeholder. I’m also curious whether any of those GIS priority layers signal real investment or just jurisdictional housekeeping. Hopefully the upcoming RTP update offers more than just cautious optimism.

It’s not just the MTO’s gap with what Metrolinx does, it’s also with their planning. The corridors Metrolinx throws on an RTP map has little to do with funding or commitment, much like the MTO, except it’s their job to actually do something. It is nonetheless safe to say they represent where volumes are high and attention is most needed.

By having so many corridors identified, there’s no way to know what we will actually move forward with, or how. Up till now this is a bit of a scapegoat, because for most priority corridors we haven’t done anything.

I’m okay with identifying all these low-level corridors, so long as there is a means to support them. Metrolinx should offer a funding bucket, with corridors like Dufferin or Derry Rd then improved municipally. Keep Metrolinx attention on the big stuff.