[spmarshall]

For example, there should be the 504 KING EXPRESS from Broadview Station to the CBD via the DVP. This would be run by buses, and would run non-stop from Broadview to the CBD. Peak hour service only.

How would the buses get onto the DVP? Take the Prince Edward Viaduct and go all the way around on the Bloor/Bayview ramps, then fight with the traffic to only get off at the next exit, the Richmond/Eastern ramps?

There's no need. The subway already does this, though a DRL would be nice.

 

[miketoronto]

The subway does not do this. Many people take the 504 from Broadview to access east downtown, GBC, and then the CBD. They do this to bypass the Yonge subway.

An express route would be a hit. Is there not an onramp to the DVP going west on Danforth? Or once you cross the bridge at Castle Frank?

 

[nassauone]

There is an onramp to the DVP but not an off ramp at broadview station. The next exit off is Don Mills which would loop back down Pape to the Danforth then over to Broadview Station (or some variation of that).

Besides, te DVP during rush hour is a lot slower than the 504.

Your idea may work if it were to use Bayview off of River to go N/S but time would kill you getting bak onto the Viaduct.

 

[Transportfan]

Another solution would be to bury the line between University & Yonge.

 

[scarberiankhatru]

^:rollin

 

[drum118]

What is going to happen when the Cherry St and Parliament St LRT lines come on line within the next 10 years????

 

[Mark Dowling]

I take 504 from King/Bay to Broadview but not the reverse - too slow in the mornings. I don't care as much after work.

 

[jmacmillan]

I fully support a ROW on King Street. Look at the West 8 plan for Queen's Quay. I NEVER thought I would see political support for a plan which HALVED motor vehicle traffic. Yet, it's happening. We may see a liveable city after all. Car use must be curtailed in the downtown.

 

[roch5220]

Well, its not really halfing it. Since its really only 1 flowing lane of traffic each way. It would be hard since theres courier/taxis, etc. that block outside lanes.

 

[GregWTravels]

Which, as I was walking along King the other day, I realized that King Street's problem is. There are 4 lanes in the street that needs 6 lanes. The curb lane along King in the downtown core seems very seldom to be available for actual moving traffic - there are so many deliveries and cab stands and parking. The streetcar and moving traffic pretty much share the centre lanes for movement.

I frankly can't figure out what all those cars are doing on King (or Queen) anyway. Who drives through downtown and doesn't take Adelaide or Richmond?

Greg

 

[blixa442]

It's time to build subways and not put money into streetcars.

 

[Ed007Toronto]

I'd agree with that downtown. Four million more people in the GTA in the next twenty five years. The DRL is a necessity, more so than most other lines. In the next three or four years we are talking about adding at least another 3 million square feet of office space downtown not including Urban Toronto's World Headquarters (all 2700 sq feet at that!). And that's not including all the condo development bringing many more people downtown.

 

[Darkstar416]

One east-west subway option somewhere south of Bloor is all downtown Toronto really needs in terms of new subway for the foreseeable future. A DRL would be my preferred option, but a Queen subway has some merit too. Streetcars will continue to play an important role regardless and everything should be done to allow them to get through the downtown faster.

 

[GregWTravels]

I would tend to think that a DRL would end streetcar service on King. A DRL route would parallel King for much the the route, and given the choice between the streetcar in mixed traffic or walking a few blocks south to catch a subway / train in it's own ROW, I wouldn't imagine that many people would bother with the streetcar anymore. The 504 would stop completely, I'd imagine. The 503 Kingston Road route could drop people at a Queen stop on the DRL east of downtown instead of coming right into downtown. The 508 Lakeshore could drop people at a King stop (around Liberty Village, depending on the routing), or could just stop altogether and those people could take the Queen car.

Not sure what would happen to Spadina / Queen's Quay (510) or the Harbourfront (509). It parallels the route for a small portion, but those routes provide service North and West that the DRL wouldn't, and the Queen's Quay service extended east to the Portlands would provide a reason to keep service for the full length along Queen's Quay.

I don't think a DRL would eliminate any of the other routes further north.

Greg

 

[spmarshall]

I'd still expect to see a Roncesvalles route (Dundas West to Liberty Village), and a Broadview route, which would go straight into the portlands.

By that time, there should be some action on extending the Kingston streetcar - the 502 would be an all day route, running into DeGrassi (or whatever name they choose).

Queen would have three routes - the 501, running somewhat less frequently and a full service 502 on the east and a resurrected 507 helping to cover the east end.

Though in the present time, I'd be happy with the phased building of a Queen streetcar subway, and that shouldn't preclude the construction of a DRL.