Cabral
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and I'm saying that the GO station and the Ontario Line station would not be far west enough for many Torontonians.
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Sunnyside
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And here we have the dilemma of the western extension; Dufferin or Roncy? Jane or Kipling-427? We are asking a lot of this one line if we want to cover more than one or two of these needs, when it is already to serve many trip types. The northern extension is thankfully much more clear-cut, and a better priority in the near term.
Nonetheless, the density along the Kitchener corridor is likely worthy of a distinct service, both for the benefit of locals and the people riding through. That’s to say, more stations are warranted, and I am open to how we choose to serve them. SmartTrack was a good idea for prioritizing the locality of the service.
Nonetheless, the density along the Kitchener corridor is likely worthy of a distinct service, both for the benefit of locals and the people riding through. That’s to say, more stations are warranted, and I am open to how we choose to serve them. SmartTrack was a good idea for prioritizing the locality of the service.
ward10
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Dufferin seems like the better OL alignment to me, too, in terms of a distinct role for metro versus RR. Would probably spur greater nework effects than Roncesvales due to greater catchment area, density and attractions further east. Hell, if King-Libery is dead, Dufferin-Queen would be a more useful location for a GO-OL interchange with Kitchener/Barrie. But the further north of Bloor you go, the more maybe OL duplicates an EMU-powered Barrie line at much greater cost.
With (relatively) good connectivity between Line 2 and Kitchener coming, I wonder if the best OL extension option is straight westward, stopping at Jameson and Humber Bay before bringing rapid transit elevated along the Queensway to an area that's going to see a lot of residential density
drum118
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How do you do an 90 degree turn to Dufferin St to go under it, let alone being elevated????
ward10
New Member
Total layperson here, but a 90 degree turn seems more than feasible if comparing to line 1's turning radii at Front St.
Grade change, I'm not sure. Eyeballing it it seems feasible, but might run into the heritage buildings on Dufferin
drum118
Superstar
That Dufferin bridge is to be replace around 2027 and remain high with a taller building where the current heritage ones are that will prevent any type of turn. You have new towers being built across the street to the new entrance. To go from high to low/underground, you can get away with a 5% grade. 100 x 5% x 40-50 feet above grade equal a ramp to grade about 4500-5500 feet long allowing for transition for the grade. To go underground, you will the same distance if not more depending how deep you are going.
Any thought of the line going under Dufferin St will see traffic reduce to a single lane in each direction and the removal of the streetcar line. Any idea of an elevated line will require the removal of existing buildings where the pier supports have to go with some existing locations being impossible due to new towers that have been built in the last few years. Then you need to be higher to get over bridges.
txlseries4
Active Member
Councillor Perks moved a motion at council that was (unfortunately?) ruled out order
EnviroTO
Senior Member
I can't imagine the Ontario Line crossing line 2 at Dundas West or anywhere east of that. All the official studies that suggested such a plan pre-date all the fare integration, presto, and Metrolinx expansion plans. There is going to be frequent nonstop service from Spadina and Front to Lansdowne station and frequent nonstop service from Liberty Village to Dundas West. It just can't be justified to have three north south rapid transit lines in the three station stretch between Dufferin and Dundas West. If the Ontario Line is extended to cross line 2 in the West, it will happen between Jane and Sherway, with somewhere in the middle being more likely.
ShonTron
Moderator
if anything, it should go west, making local stops along the Lakeshore Corridor, such as at Jameson, Roncesvalles/Sunnyside/St. Joe's, Windermere, and Humber Bay. I'm not speculating that would ever happen, but it could be an useful alignment.
ward10
New Member
Agree. I think the cost-effectiveness of a straight western railway + maybe an elevated extension should win out
That said, if Toronto optimized its metro for dense network-y facilitation of car-free travel like many cities do, there would be a north-south subway on one of Spadina, Bathurst, Ossington, Dufferin, Lansdowne, Roncesvales, and OL could be providing a version of that. Sure, the equivalent of a western Relief Line for Line 2 can be covered by the GO corridors, but there's many parts of western Toronto left nowhere near rapid transit that could benefit from a metro line, if our politics was structured for it. But as far back as the 1960's choice of Bloor-Danforth over Queen, we've opted for the model of long stringy regional rail alternative to serve the suburbs
That said, if Toronto optimized its metro for dense network-y facilitation of car-free travel like many cities do, there would be a north-south subway on one of Spadina, Bathurst, Ossington, Dufferin, Lansdowne, Roncesvales, and OL could be providing a version of that. Sure, the equivalent of a western Relief Line for Line 2 can be covered by the GO corridors, but there's many parts of western Toronto left nowhere near rapid transit that could benefit from a metro line, if our politics was structured for it. But as far back as the 1960's choice of Bloor-Danforth over Queen, we've opted for the model of long stringy regional rail alternative to serve the suburbs
Northern Light
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I spotted the most curious lobbying entry ......
Riocan is lobbying for a 'Smart Track' station at Lawrence (Stouffville GO)
More interesting still.....
They are not shown as lobbying the Councillor, or the Mayor......
But instead, the Executive Director - Development Review.....
I don't recall that position having anything to do with building GO Stations........
Riocan is lobbying for a 'Smart Track' station at Lawrence (Stouffville GO)
More interesting still.....
They are not shown as lobbying the Councillor, or the Mayor......
But instead, the Executive Director - Development Review.....
I don't recall that position having anything to do with building GO Stations........
nfitz
Superstar
Restoring the cancelled station at Lawrence East is a good idea to me - and perhaps a no-brainer if Riocan is willing to pay for it.
Adjei
Senior Member
Yes if they are willing to foot the complete bill with no costs to taxpayers then indeed it’s a no brainer.
Northern Light
Superstar
This is the site Riocan is hoping to get a value-boost on:
Its ~4ha, 10 ac in size.
It could very easily support 4 towers, with a bit of creativity, maybe more, but allowing for setbacks, public streets and possibly an ill-considered park...
3-4 towers seems right.
Unlikely they'd for out massively for a GO station for that, this is not the Chistie site in size, or proximity to the Lake.
But, Mx has just rebuilt the track here, and already added sound walls and new signal systems, so there's room for budgetary bloat. A new station (assuming you could fit it given the new bus roadway etc. If it were 2 platforms, a basic tunnel and station building...(a box)...........you should be able to get it done for under 10M.
If Mx wanted parking for its infill station or other elaborations.........the sky is the limit.
But realistically they'd probably insist on 50M (for which I would still give them a dirty look)
I don't think Riocan will be forking out that kinda dough, not for this site.
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nfitz
Superstar
No.
It's not THAT close.
Has there been any talk of if the busway segment from Kennedy to Ellesmere will have any use after the Line 2 extension opens? Though from that development, I'd think that an express bus along Kennedy to Kennedy station wouldn't be slower - especially if there was some bus priority.