junctionist
Senior Member
The point wasn't that Hurontario presently looks like Yonge Street. Both streets represent the major north/south route through their respective city and reflect how urban or suburban their city is.
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scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
The point was that Hurontario, both in urban form and in travel patterns, is currently just like Don Mills...in the future, its travel patterns will look more like Yonge's (but the form will take a while and a lot of work...even if there's a will, there may be no way).
Dan416
Senior Member
I said Hurontario was Mississauga's Yonge Street. I'm not comparing it to random streets in Toronto that it might be most like, but the fact is it is Mississauga's main road, like Yonge Street is in Toronto. In both cities it is the street from which East and West are determined.
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
I was referring to urban form, not main street status. You knew I was referring to urban form since you commented on all the development.
Dan416
Senior Member
What's a main street with no "urban form"? Regardless, even in terms of urban form, Hurontario is Mississauga's Yonge Street, i.e. most developed.
doady
Senior Member
Hurontario is not very well developed at all... especially north of Eglinton.
However, Hurontario and Yonge are very similar in that they are north-south streets with lots of commerical uses and high-density. Usually it is the east-west streets that are like this while the north-south streets tend to be lower density and reisidential. Take a look at Toronto's "Avenues" plan and you will see the majority of these "Avenues" are east-west corridors.
In their respective cities, Yonge and Hurontario are clearly the main north-south corridor, but it is much harder to choose the main east-west corridor.
However, Hurontario and Yonge are very similar in that they are north-south streets with lots of commerical uses and high-density. Usually it is the east-west streets that are like this while the north-south streets tend to be lower density and reisidential. Take a look at Toronto's "Avenues" plan and you will see the majority of these "Avenues" are east-west corridors.
In their respective cities, Yonge and Hurontario are clearly the main north-south corridor, but it is much harder to choose the main east-west corridor.
Dan416
Senior Member
Hurontario could definitely see a lot more development. More skyscrapers like the ones at Hurontario and Eglinton, or at Hurontario and Burnhamthorpe. All along its length. Hurontario should be more like Yonge. One way that it's exactly like Yonge is that they are both the boundary between east and west of their respective cities. Dundas Street East and Dundas Street West meet at Hurontario and Yonge Street. Same with Eglinton East and Eglinton West. Of course, the West and East portions of those two streets also meet up at the Mississauga/Etobicoke border, and for a stretch, Eglinton is both Eglinton West AND Eglinton East at the same time.
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
Too bad that stretch of Eglinton East/West isn't in Kitchener/Waterloo; it'd set the stage for the most amusing intersections with King and Weber.
rpgr
Active Member
I've been saying this to my pals and to letters to the TTC and Miller as well. By closing down the Sheppherd hub instead of expanding it, I think it leaves the way open to private lawsuits against the city.
Many of these properties are going up along that corridor because of the subway line. With recent price spikes in that area, a large lawsuit by residents/home owners and developers with the TREB could be feasibly levied against the city as the prices of properties (new and otherwise) spiked because of the subway. In truth, the subway should be expanded and encourage extra revenue growth for the TTC.... but then again, only a mismanaged product like the TTC can say they lose more money the more people that ride it (I can't believe mass transit actually loses money the more people that use it, that is so against the trend everywhere else in the world of public trans).
The TTC is mismanaged, the city is mismanaged.
Many of these properties are going up along that corridor because of the subway line. With recent price spikes in that area, a large lawsuit by residents/home owners and developers with the TREB could be feasibly levied against the city as the prices of properties (new and otherwise) spiked because of the subway. In truth, the subway should be expanded and encourage extra revenue growth for the TTC.... but then again, only a mismanaged product like the TTC can say they lose more money the more people that ride it (I can't believe mass transit actually loses money the more people that use it, that is so against the trend everywhere else in the world of public trans).
The TTC is mismanaged, the city is mismanaged.
rbt
Senior Member
You can take off the rose coloured glasses you use to look around the world with at any time.
Lone Primate
Active Member
doady
Senior Member
I totally agree with Rpgr. People who think that higher ridership means a less efficient transit system are delusional. It is one of the biggest lies of the TTC.
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
I guess in isolated cases slightly higher ridership could require running, for example, one full bus and one almost empty bus, rather than just one full bus, which would reduce "efficiency"...the TTC can accommodate hundreds of millions more riders on certain routes at certain times of day but it's not like they're sitting around hoping for people to ride to obscure places off-peak.
JasonParis
Moderator
Transit (much like our highway system) is a public service, not a business. Rarely do public services ever make money. Why don't people ever ask why the MTO doesn't turn a profit with an ever increasing amount of people riding the 401?
Having said that, higher ridership in some circumstances should be able to increase revenue/service.
Having said that, higher ridership in some circumstances should be able to increase revenue/service.
lead82
Senior Member
While the TTC is a public service, they should consider making use of resources more wisely and making better purchases.
A good example is the horrible decision they made with the new buses. They are smaller, poorly laid out inside. These buses have slower loading and unloading times (mainly caused by the rear doors). Also, these buses have less capacity. This means that during rush-hour the buses are super packed. The vast majority of TTC service is provided by buses, yet those are expensive to run due to the fact they require one driver per bus. Why hasn't the TTC looked into getting good quality articulated buses for some of the busiest routes. This would reduce the cost ratio by being able to carry more people per bus.
This is one of the many reasons why the TTC is inefficient and never looks onto itself to solve some of its problems. Just like everything in Toronto, there is a vacuum at the leadership level.
A good example is the horrible decision they made with the new buses. They are smaller, poorly laid out inside. These buses have slower loading and unloading times (mainly caused by the rear doors). Also, these buses have less capacity. This means that during rush-hour the buses are super packed. The vast majority of TTC service is provided by buses, yet those are expensive to run due to the fact they require one driver per bus. Why hasn't the TTC looked into getting good quality articulated buses for some of the busiest routes. This would reduce the cost ratio by being able to carry more people per bus.
This is one of the many reasons why the TTC is inefficient and never looks onto itself to solve some of its problems. Just like everything in Toronto, there is a vacuum at the leadership level.