[Towered]

So, in classic Toronto fashion, nothing has been done here for the last couple of months since Enbridge completed their utility relocation. Stops and starts. Ho hum - the usual zero sense of urgency, despite this project being on the books for what, 15 years now?

 

[Towered]

So...another 2 years of total inactivity have passed since my last outraged post - how are gaps of this length between phases of a large project even remotely acceptable, and nobody is held to account for the laughable amount of slippage? The EA was in 2008 - 17 YEARS AGO.

2 weeks ago a flashing electronic sign was set up at Runnymede and Dundas warning drivers of frequent lane closures between now and December 2026. I'm assuming it has to do with this bridge rebuild (if the city hasn't simply forgotten about it).

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

From https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/get-involved/public-consultations/infrastructure-projects/scarlett-road-bridge/

In 2008, the City completed a study to address the safety and traffic operations in the area around the Scarlett Road Bridge. The study recommended making changes to the bridge and surroundings roads in order to improve the road capacity and reduce congestion.

In late 2017, the City began work on detailed designs for the reconstruction of the bridge and the intersection of Scarlett Road with Dundas Street West and St. Clair Avenue West.

The City of Toronto is moving forward with reconstruction of the Scarlett Road Bridge and the intersection of Scarlett Road, St. Clair Avenue West and Dundas Street West. Utility relocation work has started and will continue into 2025. Bridge and road construction is expected to begin once utility relocations are complete.

 

[Steve X]

It’s been so long that I forgot they are still planning to redo the underpass. I thought they’ll just do some roadwork at north of St Clair and be done

 

[smallspy]

So...another 2 years of total inactivity have passed since my last outraged post - how are gaps of this length between phases of a large project even remotely acceptable, and nobody is held to account for the laughable amount of slippage? The EA was in 2008 - 17 YEARS AGO.

2 weeks ago a flashing electronic sign was set up at Runnymede and Dundas warning drivers of frequent lane closures between now and December 2026. I'm assuming it has to do with this bridge rebuild (if the city hasn't simply forgotten about it).

One of the major things that needed to be done was a revamping of the railway tracks on the top of the overpass, which included some major signal system revisions.

It may not look like much has gone on underneath, but a huge amount of work has gone on above.

Dan

 

[Towered]

One of the major things that needed to be done was a revamping of the railway tracks on the top of the overpass, which included some major signal system revisions.

It may not look like much has gone on underneath, but a huge amount of work has gone on above.

Dan

It would be nice if the city updated the project page with information like that

 

[Sauga89]

I can't seem to find the full environmental assessment. The links earlier in this thread have gone dead. I can only find this list of alternatives, and the preferred alternative.

All the alternatives seem to focus on replacing the bridge to add more lanes.

This may be a stupid question, but is there a reason they didn't consider consolidating the two intersections into one? I could imagine one part of Dundas continuing on to St. Clair Ave, and the other part to Scarlett Road. Or maybe running Scarlett under Dundas, and having it curve back to meet St. Clair at grade? I'm guessing there's a reason why this is a bad idea.

 

[crs1026]

This may be a stupid question, but is there a reason they didn't consider consolidating the two intersections into one? I could imagine one part of Dundas continuing on to St. Clair Ave, and the other part to Scarlett Road. Or maybe running Scarlett under Dundas, and having it curve back to meet St. Clair at grade? I'm guessing there's a reason why this is a bad idea.

I do not have data, but my impression as a local is that the traffic flows are likely to favour preserving the through path along Dundas. At present volumes, St Clair to/from Dundas seems to be relatively well handled by traffic light sequencing. The issue being improved is turning radius and geometry more than anything.

Too bad the topography and limited space is what it is, because a roundabout here with a railway on top would be very cool. (Yes, I'm dreaming)

'- Paul