[TwoWheelPoli]

I honestly believe that slapping speed cameras everywhere is just holding us back from the improvements we actually need. It's no better than the infamously flawed 85th percentile speed rule, we are just placing cameras everywhere the same way Toronto has been slapping speed limits with 0 relation to road design geometry whatsoever. The real change lies in road design- lane width, turning radii, chicanes, speed bumps, etc. That's how you actually manage speed if you care, you ideally shouldn't even need to look at your speedometer to travel the road's design speed, it will just feel natural to go that speed. Maybe once cameras are banned it will force Toronto to actually come up with solutions. I'm not against speed cameras in principle, its just that we've been using them as an excuse for far to long to leave our 5-7 lane stroads untouched and endlessly put off any real change for no apparent reason (ahem Parkside). Speed cameras should be a last resort if there is really nothing else that can be done.

The thing Ford actually needs to do is find a way to dramatically speed up projects. We're all tired of endless studies that don't do anything and waste years.

There is one problem with your logic. While I agree redesigning streets is the most effective way to slow down drivers, Doug Ford's Bill 212 means cities can no longer install bike lanes which remove traffic lanes without provincial approval. A situation which applies to Parkside and we still don't know what the approval criteria will be.

 

[goreckm]

I honestly believe that slapping speed cameras everywhere is just holding us back from the improvements we actually need. It's no better than the infamously flawed 85th percentile speed rule, we are just placing cameras everywhere the same way Toronto has been slapping speed limits with 0 relation to road design geometry whatsoever. The real change lies in road design- lane width, turning radii, chicanes, speed bumps, etc. That's how you actually manage speed if you care, you ideally shouldn't even need to look at your speedometer to travel the road's design speed, it will just feel natural to go that speed. Maybe once cameras are banned it will force Toronto to actually come up with solutions. I'm not against speed cameras in principle, its just that we've been using them as an excuse for far to long to leave our 5-7 lane stroads untouched and endlessly put off any real change for no apparent reason (ahem Parkside). Speed cameras should be a last resort if there is really nothing else that can be done.

The thing Ford actually needs to do is find a way to dramatically speed up projects. We're all tired of endless studies that don't do anything and waste years.

What is the timeline and budget (and scope) for this road redesign? I keep reading this on this forum and reddit, and it just seems like an excuse to do nothing. You can tell the argument is not genuine care for actually slowing down traffic, because if it was, we would want to remove the cameras as part of the road redesign, not before.