evandyk
Senior Member
We don't *have* to wait, but given that drivers are killing people weekly, to the extent that we have limited resources to devote to enforcement, we should focus on where the real problem is.
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Admiral Beez
Superstar
Too late for this gentleman.
‘My heart felt like it was going to explode’: Family ‘devastated’ after father killed by person falling from Leaside Bridge
Harold Lusthouse’s daughter and son made an emotional plea at Toronto’s city hall for safety barriers to be installed on Leaside Bridge.
www.thestar.com
Since Feb 2024, we've had a safe route for those with mental illness wanting an exit, https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/ad-am/bk-di.html. I sometimes see signs on bridges about suicide prevention, but never about how to do it safely without endangering others. Maybe that's the message our determined jumpers need?
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reinventingthewheel
Active Member
You’re really exaggerating the stats here, pedestrian and cyclist fatalities have not exceeded 30 in the last 5 years. This year there have been only 3 fatalities.
If you want to pull in more resources, there are far better options than dismissing the danger of E-bikes. Because they are definitely dangerous, often misused, and poorly regulated.
I was hospitalized and couldn’t walk for 2 months because of someone riding top speed while starting at their phone. The biker faced no repercussions (aside from brain trauma from not wearing a helmet).
bearcat
Active Member
I saw this video on Instagram:
This "crossing" should really have a zebra crossing and signs to make it comply with https://www.ontario.ca/page/driving-near-pedestrian-crossovers-and-school-crossings .
Currently legally I think crossing here as a pedestrian is no different then crossing at a random location mid-block. In fact worse, as there is a "wait for gap" sign.
I don't think the person cycling technically did anything illegal here based on how this "crossing" is currently designed.
(This is the location in the video: https://maps.app.goo.gl/QqkenFDbuv9MVHLy6?g_st=ac )
This "crossing" should really have a zebra crossing and signs to make it comply with https://www.ontario.ca/page/driving-near-pedestrian-crossovers-and-school-crossings .
Currently legally I think crossing here as a pedestrian is no different then crossing at a random location mid-block. In fact worse, as there is a "wait for gap" sign.
I don't think the person cycling technically did anything illegal here based on how this "crossing" is currently designed.
(This is the location in the video: https://maps.app.goo.gl/QqkenFDbuv9MVHLy6?g_st=ac )
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Fred.S
Active Member
You're correct in that it is not a legal "pedestrian crossover" (PXO) since it doesn't have the regulation signs and markings, and has a sign telling pedestrians to wait for a gap. The crossing rules at it are the same as any midblock location, pedestrian give way to road traffic.
I understand why this is confusing to many people, as the raised nature and different surface material of the crossing imply that vehicles should yield to pedestrian, though I would expect that a cop should know the distinction. The cyclist acted appropriately.
I'm not a big fan of these types of crossings. Either create a regulation PXO, or keep the road markings continuous without any crossing markings/surface treatments so it's clear who has prioritiy, and add other traffic calming along the street if needed.
txlseries4
Active Member
The officer's comments are annoyingly misplaced because cyclists hitting pedestrians happens at such a disproportionately lower rate than cars hitting pedestrians or cyclists it's astonishing, as much as it sucks for everyone involved and can result serious injury.
Here's data from Toronto Police Service showing collisions involving pedestrians and cars, bicycles and cars, and pedestrians and cyclists. It's probably safe to say more collisions happen between cyclists and pedestrians than what's reflected in the data but likely just aren't serious enough to involve or report it to the police. I write car below but TPS uses "automobile" and this does not include motorcycles. No idea about ebike vs bicycle, or truck vs sedan... that granularity isn't available.
To put things above in perspective, here's the chart again but now all car collisions in the city
Data from here: https://data.torontopolice.on.ca/da...ffic-collisions-open-data-asr-t-tbl-001/about
lenaitch
Senior Member
The officer's comments were wrong because the site had no compliance with a legal Pedestrian Crossover, not because of a lack of data. There doesn't even seem to be a 'courtesy crossing' sign (although they provide no legal right of way).
TheGrimSweeper
New Member
When you look at the Ontario Line map it's so obvious this thing needs a west extension. At least up to Bloor but up to Eglinton even better.
Do they have any plans for that?
Do they have any plans for that?
Fred.S
Active Member
Although even if this was a PXO, the regulation is that you only need to stop if someone is in the crossing, and can only proceed once they're off the roadway and on the sidewalk. By the looks of the video, both pedestrians were off the roadway before the cyclist proceeded past. Granted the stop/yield bar would be a bit farther behind, but I doubt the pedestrians had any concerns about that cyclist.
bearcat
Active Member
wrong thread?
MisterF
Senior Member
And regulation PXOs in Ontario aren't raised and don't have different surface materials, which confuses the issue even more.
christiesplits
Senior Member
The Parkside Drive speed camera has been cut down for a *fourth* time.
www.cp24.com
This Toronto speed camera earned millions for the city. It’s just been axed for the fourth time
One of Toronto’s most ticket-heavy speed cameras was once again chopped down this week, marking the fourth act of vandalism targeting the same device in just five months, advocates say.
www.cp24.com
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Have a real police officer (rotating shifts, of course) enforcing the speed limit 24/7, whenever the camera (or others) is not available due to vandalism or mischief. Of course when a police officer stops someone for speeding, the driver will be subject to demerit points or court.The Parkside Drive speed camera has been cut down for a *fourth* time.
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This Toronto speed camera earned millions for the city. It’s just been axed for the fourth time
One of Toronto’s most ticket-heavy speed cameras was once again chopped down this week, marking the fourth act of vandalism targeting the same device in just five months, advocates say.
crs1026
Superstar
If they haven't mounted additional cameras to catch the perp in the act, I don't know why.....
- Paul
lenaitch
Senior Member
Indeed; although surveillance cameras operate differently than speed/red light cameras. Why they don't mount it higher out of harm's way surprises me. There is a thing called Cosine Error but it is a constant and can be calibrated out.
I think Barrie has had a few targetted machines as well.