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One problem Buffalo faces is the decline in population of the city proper. In 1950, the population was 580,132, but by 2010 it was 261,310. (As of 2006, Erie and Niagara Counties had a combined estimated population of 1,154,378.) With less people nearby, there is less incentive to expand the line.
 
Phoenix is the best example of low forecast numbers and exceeding its 2025 numbers within 2 years for LRT. Forecast to be only 18,000 a day for the 20 mile line and is carrying 46,000 today. It is 100 short of the 2025 date. Some days its over 60,000. There is a bidding war on to get the line built to other areas with construction to get underway for both ends in 2012/13 and years ahead of schedule.

Phoenix's light rail has high ridership because they closed a whole bunch of useful bus lines and forced people to ride the train.

They also spent a lot of money to feed riders into the system; for example, they built an extremely expensive airport people mover that connected the airport terminals to the LRT, about 4 km away. In the past, the airport terminals were served directly by city bus.

There is no bidding war. There won't be any serious extensions in the near future because Phoenix, Maricopa County and Arizona are all completely broke.
 
And all of this, folks, is why Wendell Cox-ian anti-public-transit logic has such resonance in the USA.
 
GTS: Cleveland's Red Line W to Cleveland-Hopkins International Airport was the first rail rapid transit line to serve an Airport in the US beginning back in 1968...LI MIKE
 
Dec 27
I was very late getting to Buffalo from my original plan and it was raining that prevented me from doing the shooting I wanted to do.

Shots and video done up by Shea's station area and you can see the different in color sidewalk where parking will go. Its was also the first time I have seen 3 car trains on the line and that had to do with a game at the arena. Seen only 2 cars on game day in the past.

I noticed they close off the station by the arena and could not see why, but using Erie Canal Harbour Station now.

More photos up on the site.
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I think drum118's excellent pictures should be a reminder to us not to take pictures of other cities seriously when making some kind of comparative argument with respect to Toronto. The area looks kind of good but it is an utter failure on the ground.

I visited Buffalo on tourist grounds (well actually to help someone out with an immigration issue + tourist grounds) in the summer. There was literally no one using the transit mall and no one on that transit mall street. Talking about detailed aspects of transit planning in the context of Buffalo's downtown core is like trying to hammer in a nail with a rubber chicken. If I owned property there I would kill for there to be a traffic jam. Buffalo would be so lucky as to have a traffic jam. If someone could generate a traffic jam in downtown Buffalo and would ask as compensation for the total utter removal of all transit connections as mayor I would do it in a heartbeat! First generate the traffic jam then worry about transit.
 
I think drum118's excellent pictures should be a reminder to us not to take pictures of other cities seriously when making some kind of comparative argument with respect to Toronto. The area looks kind of good but it is an utter failure on the ground.

I visited Buffalo on tourist grounds (well actually to help someone out with an immigration issue + tourist grounds) in the summer. There was literally no one using the transit mall and no one on that transit mall street. Talking about detailed aspects of transit planning in the context of Buffalo's downtown core is like trying to hammer in a nail with a rubber chicken. If I owned property there I would kill for there to be a traffic jam. Buffalo would be so lucky as to have a traffic jam. If someone could generate a traffic jam in downtown Buffalo and would ask as compensation for the total utter removal of all transit connections as mayor I would do it in a heartbeat! First generate the traffic jam then worry about transit.

If one look at what the transit mall was like before the LRT was built as well what the LRT in mix traffic was like before the full conversion to what there now, that area was dieing no matter what was going on.

I don't have a link to the EA study, but the last thing I read on it a few years ago stated that the LRT did not caused the problem in the the mall area, but the lost of industries and employment did.

I don't know what the area looked like before the LRT was built, but remember part of the mall being haft traffic in one area and transit only in another. We did some shopping in the mall area, but mostly to other areas that don't exist today.

I have done a fair bit of rail fanning around Buffalo the last 20 years and have seen that disappear also, with sections of housing now vacate land. If one drives around the downtown within in a 2 mile radius, you will find all kinds of vacant land and empty business.

You need industries investing in new plants and building to get people back to work as well attract new residents so housing can be built within the downtown area. Buffalo like most US cities, lost residents to the suburbs along with various business as the cars took over the streets.

If one takes the time to walk this transit mall as well other cities downtown and look at what there, you will understand why they have fail or are in rough shape. I have photos of that mall area taken only 3 years ago at noon on a weekday and it was empty to the point a bowling ball would not hit anyone once you throw it.

Just walk along Queen, King, Dundas and you will see some of those issues there also.

It been over 10 years since I was last in Cleveland and have no idea what it looks like today, but not nice the last time I was there.

Was in Detroit a few years ago and it was a bomb out downtown from the days I worked there and visit. The office building I work in is a vacant piece of land, considering it was 20 storey in the first place.

The question people should be asking "who does the city belong too, the car or people", as both cannot exist on equal plains??

As for taking photos elsewhere and compare them to Toronto, you will be amassed how Toronto does not stack up in various areas to those other places.
 
Not sure what part of King you are referring too but there is a lot of used office space far to the west and the east. So it tends to be pretty busy. There isn't much retail and hence the lack of pedestrian activity. A lot of the office space on King east / west is occupied and the vacancy rate is relatively low (i.e. sub 10%). There are some abodoeded factories.

Queen is very similar actually ... most of the brick offices you walk by on Queen East are not empty ... they're fairly well occupied on the whole. There's very little commerical (less retail) on Queen W ... not sure about Dundas.

So trust me these areas bare no resemblance to their American counterparts ... again King E was never very busy from a pedestrian point of view but that has very little to do with the lack of jobs / houses.

What did you mean Toronto doesn't stack up ? Are you referring to the quality / built form of some of these projects in cities like Buffalo and the like ? If so I agree ... but again we're doing a better job in the new waterfront / Bloor ...
 
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As for Cleveland, ridership has fail to match projected forecast so far, even thou ridership is growing. It has been stated a number of time that an LRT should have been built in place of the BRT. Even the buses are not was was plan for this project. Development hasn't happen as fast as plan for this BRT.

I felt the need to report that the Cleveland BRT is doing quite well, although I don't know what the projections were:

- $3.3 billion in new construction along the route: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2009/11/clevelands_euclid_corridor_pro.html
- 2010 Ridership up 8 percent over 2009: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/04/healthline_sees_a_healthy_clim.html
- 2009 Ridership up 47 percent over 2008 (when the switch from regular bus occurred) http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2009/11/rtas_euclid_avenue_healthline.html
- LRT would have cost $750 million; the BRT totaled $197 million

It literary created a new vein of life in a part of the city that greatly needed it.
 
Here's also two youtube videos of the Cleveland BRT:

2009:
[video=youtube;PRIvDvgBjqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRIvDvgBjqM[/video]

2011: (starting at 1 min 43 sec)
[video=youtube;68S4Lr6glP0&t=1m43s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68S4Lr6glP0&t=1m43s[/video]
 
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