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gabe said:
I agree and but also the far left groups have also ignored that Palestine is extremely anti LGBT+. Hamas will kill you for being gay or trans. Where is outrage from the far left there? “In the case of homosexuality…they shall be killed.” - Hamas leader. People like Charlie Kirk on the far right and far left are just opposite sides of the same coin Not much difference between the two groups. Both far left and far right are idoits.
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I am no fan of religious hatred, regardless of the creed.

I didn't like Kirk, or think he was a good person. It is wrong that he was killed, just as all murder is wrong. But I find it rather distasteful how his death is being mourned as a great national tragedy when school children are murdered any given Tuesday in the US and people like Kirk are glib about it.
 
gabe said:
I agree and but also the far left groups have also ignored that Palestine is extremely anti LGBT+. Hamas will kill you for being gay or trans. Where is outrage from the far left there? “In the case of homosexuality…they shall be killed.” - Hamas leader. People like Charlie Kirk on the far right and far left are just opposite sides of the same coin Not much difference between the two groups. Both far left and far right are idoits.
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Please point out to me anyone on the left excusing Hama's homophobia. A link to an article would suffice. Otherwise this is a nonsense talking point.
 
zang said:
Does it matter if I've seen it or not?

The fact that the shooter didn't hit the head or go for a second shot, kind of negates the idea that this was some kind of professional hit.



Are you a doctor? People have survived injuries like this. Kirk was still alive when transported to the hospital and AP reported he was there being treated in critical condition.



I will revisit this post later when you're proven wrong here. Conspiracy theories don't help the situation.



200 yards away is where the shooter was, and that isn't a "very long distance" in terms of rifle hunting. In fact, scopes recommended for that range are in the area of 40mm (in other words, not very big). You don't even need to be prone to make shots at that range, which is generally only recommended for shots greater than ~350 yards. Why would any professional sniper risk being that close to the target if they don't absolutely need to be, and again why wouldn't they take a security shot?

I grew up on a farm, and regularly used the family .22. My uncle (then RCMP Sergeant) would take my brother and I skeet shooting when we visited. As an Air Cadet (back before they switched to air rifles) we trained on small caliber bolt rifles nearly identical to those used in the olympics. I'm telling you right now, I could probably have made a shot the size of a human at that range.

Am I of the skill level of a professional assassin? Because I can tell you right now, I certainly don't believe I am.

As I said, every U.S. infantryman in required to hit a(n I believe 6") target at 300 yards using iron sights alone. 200 yards for a human sized target would not be difficult for just about anyone with a small amount of training; like just about anyone who grew up in a state in which hunting is pretty common. Y'know, like Utah is.



Is it your opinion or "ZERO doubt"?; because they are not one and the same.

Or, it's been less than 24 hours and it would be silly to make such assumptions. It took almost two full days to find and arrest Vance Boelter and five days to find and arrest Luigi Mangione. Give it time, ffs.
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I tend to agree. 200 yards is not an outrageous distance with a scope (and a bit of elevation it seems) for a decent hunter. Most decently-accurate rifles are bolt action (even specialized sniper rifles) so unless you are in a very secured location, you take your one shot and leave. Aiming for the neck would be ludicrous; a degree off and it's a miss. I suspect that the aim was either head or centre mass and the tiny factors of wind, humidity, powder load, etc. got in the way.

I had a colleague who could consistently hit 9-10 ('bullseye') with an FNC1 with iron sights at 400 yds.

I don't know what the guidelines are in Utah but I'm not surprised that the paramedics transported him 'in critical condition'. They, and other emergency services, can't pronounce death anyway. Most operate under some form of 'obvious death' guidelines, but the victim just suffered the injury; they aren't going to stand up, pull their gloves off and say 'call the coroner'. Who's going to be willing to own that call? According to a video, he was hustled in a SUV by police/security. There's a decent chance they had a tactical bandage ('Israeli bandage'). You intervene according to your training. I saw the 'graphic' video (no longer available it seems). There's no doubt in my mind his fate was sealed but you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
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A bomb threat in Detroit's Corktown neighborhood targeted the residence of Michigan Litentuant Governor Garlin Gilchrist II, he said.

Authorities investigated the threat and gave an all-clear after finding no danger.
Gilchrist linked the incident to a broader pattern of political violence, referencing the recent slaying of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

Michigan Litentuant Governor Garlin Gilchrist II said that a bomb threat that authorities investigated Thursday, Sept. 11 in Detroit's Corktown neighborhood targeted the place where he and his family live.

"The threat has been cleared, and I am grateful to law enforcement for their quick response and for keeping my family and our neighborhood safe," Gilchrist said in a statement.
 
zang said:
Given they've released photos of the gun but not the rounds, I'm doubtful it's not just the right wing "exaggeration" that happens with every prominent violent act.
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It’s been suggested that the supposed “transgender ideology” (whatever the eff that’s supposed to mean) and antifa based markings found on shell casing or whatever they found allegedly from the fled gunman may have actually be from the manufacturer of the same. But the feds on a fishing expedition here likely have overlooked this more prosaic consideration… >.<
 
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gabe said:
I agree and but also the far left groups have also ignored that Palestine is extremely anti LGBT+. Hamas will kill you for being gay or trans. Where is outrage from the far left there? “In the case of homosexuality…they shall be killed.” - Hamas leader. People like Charlie Kirk on the far right and far left are just opposite sides of the same coin Not much difference between the two groups. Both far left and far right are idoits.
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So wait, leftists shouldn't dislike the indiscriminate killing of children (and the general populace) because Hamas is anti LGBT+? Or that because they're anti-murdering civilians that they're unaware of what Hamas is actually like? WTF?!

Stop with the false equivalency BS.

Also Palestinians ≠ Hamas. This kind of othering is part of the problem.
 
lenaitch said:
I don't know what the guidelines are in Utah but I'm not surprised that the paramedics transported him 'in critical condition'. They, and other emergency services, can't pronounce death anyway. Most operate under some form of 'obvious death' guidelines, but the victim just suffered the injury; they aren't going to stand up, pull their gloves off and say 'call the coroner'. Who's going to be willing to own that call?
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Fair enough, but he was also reported as "in critical condition" at the hospital, where presumably he would be pronounced dead if he arrived with zero vital signs and massive, untreatable blood loss. There were reports (albeit in Brietbart, so take it with a grain of salt) that he was receiving transfusions there. Per the AP's timeline, Kirk was pronounced dead about an hour after it was reported he was being treated at the hospital, and per CBS' more recent timeline, pronouncement was about two hours after the shooting.
 
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UtakataNoAnnex said:
It’s been suggested that the supposed “transgender ideology” (whatever the eff that’s supposed to mean) and antifa based markings found on shell casing or whatever they found allegedly from the fled gunman may have actually be from the manufacturer of the same. But the feds on a fishing expedition here likely have overlooked this more prosaic consideration… >.<
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Yeah, I read. Likely some overzealous MAGA ATF/FBI agent who saw "TRN" stamped on a shell casing and ran with it meaning "transgender" instead of the identification stamp for Turan, the ammunition manufacturer.

Seriously, how does anyone actually expect any crime to be solved when departments have been purged of decades of objective expertise for blind MAGA loyalists?
 
Trump is claiming they now have the suspect in custody. We shall see, I guess…
 
"Transgender people are mentally unstable killers" is one of the new coordinated talking points in the far right. Prepare to hear a lot more of it as it seeps into the mainstream like their talking points often do. Even though of course there's no truth to it.
 
zang said:
So wait, leftists shouldn't dislike the indiscriminate killing of children (and the general populace) because Hamas is anti LGBT+? Or that because they're anti-murdering civilians that they're unaware of what Hamas is actually like? WTF?!

Stop with the false equivalency BS.

Also Palestinians ≠ Hamas. This kind of othering is part of the problem.
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Straining at the gnats while letting the elephants go by… /sigh
 
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