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Trump’s now saying that illegals working on farms and hotels can stay if their employers vouch for them, with the worker then expected to self-deport and return (I call BS) as a legal worker. That’s got a real “work will set you free” vibe to it.

Other reports say that Trump is considering to offer each Greenlander $10,000 a year as part of the terms of an American takeover. Yeah, give up universal healthcare, gun control, Danish-level services and EU membership, all for $10k.
 
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^That would still be way below the poverty line for many. And likely in light of everyone there getting a better deal with what they got now, this is not worth it....

...and being ran by a country that doesn't do socialism and by a leadership that's opposed to it in the extreme, there is nothing the US are really capable of offering them currently that would change their minds collectively. So that will likely be taken as a big fat "Hell, no!" to that if it where all about the money.
 
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Electronics imported to the United States will be exempt from President Donald Trump’s sweeping tariffs, according to a US Customs and Border Protection notice posted on Friday.
Smartphones, computer monitors and various electronic parts are among the exempted products. The exemption applies to products entering the United States or removed from warehouses as early as April 5, according to the notice.
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Announced at 10:36 p.m. last night.
 
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Enhanced driver's licenses can be used for air travel within the United States beginning May 7, 2025. Specifically, travellers 18 years of age and older will need a REAL ID-compliant license, state-issued enhanced driver's license, or another acceptable form of ID such as passports to fly.

Canadians still need a passport to enter the States.

Ontario terminated its enhanced driver's license (EDL) program in June 2019 as a cost-saving measure, though existing EDLs remain valid until their expiration dates. The Enhanced Driver’s Licence (EDL) was a travel document that acted as proof of identity and citizenship when travelling to the United States by road or water. Passports were required travelling by air.
 
DSCToronto said:
If anyone knew THIS was coming they could have made $$$$$

Smartphones and computers are now exempt from Trump’s latest tariffs​

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Now that the big tech companies are in the bag for Trump, this was almost inevitable. Wait for more exemptions to come for industries of people who donated.
 
I'm not surprised by the reversal on smart phones and laptops as well as other electronic components. In his first term when Trump put tariffs on China Trump gave Apple an exemption because Tim Cook told Trump Apple would not be able to compete with SAMSUNG if tariffs were put on and Trump did not want to hurt an American company.

I believe until recently Apple had the biggest market cap of any company in the world. If Trump put 145% tariffs on Apple it would lose most of its business and market cap wiping out over a trillion of American wealth. Apple cannot build phones in the US at competitive prices. They would cost more than importing from China even with a 145% tariff slapped on. Tim Cook recently said Apple is in China because it has a skill set (production engineers) not available anywhere else. Cook said China stopped being a low labor cost country decades ago. Trump and most Americans cling to outdated notions about China.

After Trump was sworn in Apple was one of the first companies to come forward and kiss Trump's ring with an announcement it would invest a cool HALF TRILLION DOLLARS in the United States. A completely preposterous number that will never be realized but intended to placate Trump on tariffs. Other companies like TSMC and Hyundai made similar announcements of gargantuan investments always in multiples of a hundred billion with nice big round numbers. Trump loves how the words "Billions and Billions" roll off his tongue and these smart companies know it.

These companies know how to play the game by now. They know they can curry favor by giving Trump a big "win" by announcing fictitious gargantuan investments that have no hope of being realized. We saw the same phenomenon during Trumps first term and none of the spectacular investment announcements were ever realized (see Foxconn).

I suspect that included in the exemption on electronic components are the vital components that Tesla needs to assemble its cars in the United States. Tesla did not build such an advanced car by relying solely on an American supply chain. The vital components that once made Tesla a leader came from China where Tesla builds cars.

These reversals by Trump confirm that the rationale for putting on tariffs in the first place was seriously flawed. There was never a good case for blowing up America's standing in the world over this hairbrained gambit developed by his trade Czar Peter Navarro, a convicted felon and charlatan.

Trump likes to boast that he graduated from the prestigious Wharton School of Business. He should ask for his money back since they didn't teach him Economics 101.

How long before Trump lifts the 25% tariffs on Canadian and Mexican cars? This is another situation that is not tenable from a business or consumer standpoint. The Governor of Michigan met with Trump last week to plead that the tariffs be lifted. Michigan is facing big job losses as Trumps tariffs taxes are not going to plan.

By identifying smart phones and electronics as a weakness for the U.S. has Trump made the US vulnerable to Chinese Export tariffs? Will Xi Jinping respond by slapping 145% EXPORT tariffs on Apple iPhones and laptops if Trump does not completely lift the 145% tariffs on other Chinese products. China is the one country that cannot be bullied by Trump and will NOT be bullied by Trump. In this trade war China holds ALL the cards. The U.S. has none. Not even the Trump Card!

 
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UtakataNoAnnex said:
^That would still be way below the poverty line for many. And likely in light of everyone there getting a better deal with what they got now, this is not worth it....

...and being ran by a country that doesn't do socialism and by a leadership that's opposed to it in the extreme, there is nothing the US are really capable of offering them currently that would change their minds collectively. So that will likely be taken as a big fat "Hell, no!" to that if it where all about the money.
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Denmark doesn't do socialism either. Socialism is where the means of production are centrally owned or controlled. Denmark has a capitalist economy with a strong welfare state. That's not socialism.
 
MisterF said:
Denmark doesn't do socialism either. Socialism is where the means of production are centrally owned or controlled. Denmark has a capitalist economy with a strong welfare state. That's not socialism.
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Er...I don't know. It's certainly more socialist than what we have here, IMO...

...but I don't think that' s important. Rather anything like that is "socialist" to current administration of the United States. And to be fair, even the Dems are "socialist" to them. And said admin are expressing strong desires to take over a Danish asset with that in mind. (I am told they're even putting in the paper work for that through Congress.) And if I was living in Greenland, I would be mortally terrified of that.
 
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We used to have the very useful term "social democracy" but Americans just love calling things "socialist" so I guess we're stuck with calling Denmark (and Canada, if you listen to the Americans) socialist. Even American lefties, who are very much capitalists, love to call themselves socialist!
 
evandyk said:
We used to have the very useful term "social democracy" but Americans just love calling things "socialist" so I guess we're stuck with calling Denmark (and Canada, if you listen to the Americans) socialist. Even American lefties, who are very much capitalists, love to call themselves socialist!
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Hell, at this rate they'd call anyone with a half-functional democracy and social safety net "Socialist" (perjoratively). In the meantime, this is what the US government sent to Harvard. Nothing totalitarian about that.

AoD
 
Perhaps it's my fault for calling something more socialist as "socialist" here. And confusing the two...where I should of been clearer and less reckless with my words. I guess I am just happy for any jurisdiction that adopts better income redistribution...but it doesn't exactly mean socialist in purest sense of that word, in particular if the market is the thing still wagging that dog.

...either way, my apologies for confusion here. And I sit corrected. /bows
 
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