picard102
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Yeah I don't get what her plan is. To be the conservatives just without Doug?
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DSCToronto
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From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...urt-youth-led-climate-case-decision-1.7354795
Ontario's top court orders new hearing in youth climate case
Young people arguing Ontario's weakened emissions target violates their Charter rights
Jordan Olmstead · The Canadian Press · Posted: Oct 17, 2024 12:22 PM EDT | Last Updated: 40 minutes ago
PL1
Senior Member
I'm not surprised... Crombie was definitely one of the more conservative people in the OLP leadership convention
Northern Light
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Broadly, I agree. I have, in fact, advocated for raising the PST/HST 2 points, which would be enough to balance the budget immediately and have a bit left over for program enhancement, or some mixture of the two.
That said, I would entertain three ideas on the tax file broadly, that could involve targeted reductions.
1) General simplification of taxes, fewer deductions/credits, and raising the basic exemption as a direct trade-off. Any windfall for upper middle income or wealthy Ontarians should be offset in one fashion or another.
2) I strongly favour a significant increase in the minimum wage, and would be willing to entertain a modest tax reduction targeted at small business in Ontario, as well as an additional benefit for the hospitality industry which is minimum wage heavy.
This could include a reduction in Business Education Tax or Employer Health tax for the general application; and for hospitality businesses could mean an increased assignee discount for alcohol purchases or relief on the LCBO markup or excise taxes.
But the additional income and sales tax from minimum wage hike should more than offset any forgone revenues.
3) I would consider tax relief where a given Ontario rate is particularly uncompetitive with peer jurisdictions. Again, I would seek to offset any revenue loss with increases in other rates where room exists.
4) Broadly, I think we need more tax revenue rather than less; so that we can not only balance the budget and make crucial investments, but so we can also pay down the debt and then split the reduced interest payments between further social investment and tax relief. (eventually)
Middle income tax rates in Ontario are not high, and nowhere near their historic highs. There is no justification for reducing them.
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afransen
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Anyone want to say 'Notwithstanding clause' with me?From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...urt-youth-led-climate-case-decision-1.7354795
Ontario's top court orders new hearing in youth climate case
Young people arguing Ontario's weakened emissions target violates their Charter rights
Jordan Olmstead · The Canadian Press · Posted: Oct 17, 2024 12:22 PM EDT | Last Updated: 40 minutes ago
PL1
Senior Member
The notwithstanding clause should have been written as intended. Clearly 45 years ago, none of the authors imagines it would be used as a cudgel
afransen
Senior Member
PL1
Senior Member
Yes, I'm aware of that. But they thought either no one would use it, or its use would be exceedingly rare. Recently, that's not the case
afransen
Senior Member
lenaitch
Senior Member
Without reading the judgements, it would be interesting to know what specific Charter right the claimants allege were being breached.
The 'notwithstanding clause' has to be invoked with a specific piece of legislation. In order to do that, the government would have to replace the current Act (or Regulation) imposing the targets. There's a lot of legal procedural space between now and that. Even getting to the SCOC could outlive this current legislature.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Threats/attempts aside, Ford nor any ON premier has ever enacted the NWC.
Meanwhile Quebec has enacted it seventeen times. It’s only been enacted by one other province, that of twice by Saskatchewan.
afransen
Senior Member
Premier Doug Ford invokes notwithstanding clause to limit electoral spending of unions
Premier Doug Ford’s Progressive Conservatives have invoked the Constitution’s “notwithstanding” clause for the first time in Ontario history in what his Tories claim is a bid to curb outside influences on elections.
www.thestar.com
Northern Light
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From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...urt-youth-led-climate-case-decision-1.7354795
Ontario's top court orders new hearing in youth climate case
Young people arguing Ontario's weakened emissions target violates their Charter rights
Jordan Olmstead · The Canadian Press · Posted: Oct 17, 2024 12:22 PM EDT | Last Updated: 40 minutes ago
Let me post a link to the Decision of the Court of Appeal:
Mathur v. Ontario - Court of Appeal for Ontario
From the above:
There are 82 paragraphs in the decision, so I won't be posting the rest, follow the link for the details.
The Court of Appeal did not rule on the merits of the case, only deciding that the initial application judge erred in her assessment of this as a positive rights case, which is the not the correct analysis in the determination of the Appeals Court, which had ordered a new hearing.
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For quick reference, the sections of the Charter at play here are:
And
Both of the above sections are subject to the use of the Notwithstanding Clause.
lenaitch
Senior Member
Thanks. For what it's worth, once the actual merits of the alleged Charter violations get assessed, I think it's going to be a high mountain, particularly given previous SCOC decisions. We will see.Let me post a link to the Decision of the Court of Appeal:
Mathur v. Ontario - Court of Appeal for Ontario
coadecisions.ontariocourts.ca
From the above:
View attachment 605618
There are 82 paragraphs in the decision, so I won't be posting the rest, follow the link for the details.
The Court of Appeal did not rule on the merits of the case, only deciding that the initial application judge erred in her assessment of this as a positive rights case, which is the not the correct analysis in the determination of the Appeals Court, which had ordered a new hearing.
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For quick reference, the sections of the Charter at play here are:
View attachment 605623
And
View attachment 605624
Both of the above sections are subject to the use of the Notwithstanding Clause.
Admiral Beez
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Invoked is not enacted, as in declared after a constitutional challenge. The NWC has invoked several times.Premier Doug Ford invokes notwithstanding clause to limit electoral spending of unions
Premier Doug Ford’s Progressive Conservatives have invoked the Constitution’s “notwithstanding” clause for the first time in Ontario history in what his Tories claim is a bid to curb outside influences on elections.