[wopchop]

The current maximum for school-aged childcare is $22 per day, not $30, and it will drop to $10 next September.

Technically it is not for "school aged" children. $22 is for children 0-5 (i.e. under the age of 6), that are enrolled at a centre that participates in the program. About 10% of centres do not.

For Oakville YMCA, they charge $30 per day for full time before+after school care, for children over the age of six (school aged).

Also, right now the child care deal expires in March 2026, so the drop to $10 is not confirmed unless that gets extended. It seems Ontario is pushing the Federal government to increase their funding for it.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

OAS is not to support a family with young children, its for senior citizens.

...well, that's simple then. Make it for everyone.

 

[Northern Light]

Technically it is not for "school aged" children. $22 is for children 0-5 (i.e. under the age of 6), that are enrolled at a centre that participates in the program. About 10% of centres do not.

For Oakville YMCA, they charge $30 per day for full time before+after school care, for children over the age of six (school aged).

Also, right now the child care deal expires in March 2026, so the drop to $10 is not confirmed unless that gets extended. It seems Ontario is pushing the Federal government to increase their funding for it.

The deal they signed requires the $10 a day childcare in writing prior to the expiry.

That said, if it were not renewed, it would be short-lived.

But renewal is anticipated, and discussions have been ongoing.

 

[Northern Light]

...well, that's simple then. Make it for everyone.

I'm a tried and true progressive; but to be clear, this is not remotely an option at this time. The cost would be astronomical, the tax hike stratospheric.

Zero chance.

I think we need to keep this conversation in the real world, rather than fantasy.

 

[EBT]

Carney faces historic choice between South Korea and Europe for submarine fleet

Canada’s planned purchase of 12 subs could break tradition in Indo-Pacific shift to South Korea

www.theglobeandmail.com

Get them to throw in a Hyundai car plant and we have a deal.

This is a good idea. Canada was Hyundai's first beachhead in North America. I believe they sold cars in Canada for about 5 years before entering the American market. Those early cars were notorious for being unreliable rust-buckets, but Canada enabled Hyundai to work out the bugs before entering the American market. Despite this, Hyundai/Kia has never built anything in Canada, while we have bought millions of their cars over the past decades. This needs to end. We need to stop giving these foreign car companies a free ride in Canada, and increasingly that includes the Detroit Big Three. If we are going to give foreign car companies a free ride in our market (sales of 2 million cars a year), then why not open Canada to Chinese cars? They are the most advanced and most desirable cars in the world today, with the bonus that they are affordable!

Canada should not award a contract for submarines to the Hyundai consortium unless they agree to build a car plant in Canada. I am willing to bet that this quid-pro-quo idea has not even occurred to our PM or his advisors.

 

[zang]

The current maximum for school-aged childcare is $22 per day, not $30, and it will drop to $10 next September.

I see you missed the links to the current pricing rates for both a local school-based daycare and the YMCA, both over $22.

$10 a day is for kids under 6. It’s right here in the opening paragraph.

Go back to blocking me. You’ll embarrass yourself less.

 

[zang]

I'm a tried and true progressive; but to be clear, this is not remotely an option at this time. The cost would be astronomical, the tax hike stratospheric.

Zero chance.

I think we need to keep this conversation in the real world, rather than fantasy.

So much a fantasy it's been done twice in this country, with Manitoba's Mincome and Ontario's OBI (both coincidentally cancelled by incoming Conservative governments), and a guaranteed livable income framework law is currently going through second reading in the senate.

 

[Northern Light]

So much a fantasy it's been done twice in this country, with Manitoba's Mincome and Ontario's OBI (both coincidentally cancelled by incoming Conservative governments), and a guaranteed livable income framework law is currently going through second reading in the senate.

I'm aware of both of those.

And, I supported them.

But both were done at a very, very small scale, and were never going to be scaled up.

The Ontario experiment applied only to those on social assistance, only a portion of them, and only in 4 communities province wide.

 

[lenaitch]

So much a fantasy it's been done twice in this country, with Manitoba's Mincome and Ontario's OBI (both coincidentally cancelled by incoming Conservative governments), and a guaranteed livable income framework law is currently going through second reading in the senate.

Senate bills are the equivalent of 'busy work' they do in kindergarten.

 

[Northern Light]

I see you missed the links to the current pricing rates for both a local school-based daycare and the YMCA, both over $22.

If a household has at or less than $50,000, the City will extend a subsidy that caps your cost at $19 and change per day for before/after school care.

After-School Recreation Care

Options include the After-School Recreation Care (ARC) Program for ages six to 12 years old and the Community Leadership After-School Program (CLASP) for ages 10 to 15 years old.

www.toronto.ca

Go back to blocking me. '

No worries, you remain blocked, I simply look at content others have replied to.

 

[zang]

If a household has at or less than $50,000, the City will extend a subsidy that caps your cost at $19 and change per day for before/after school care.

That’s not exactly a “cap” then is it? It’s a subsidy, and there’s a limited number of subsidized spots per daycare, and it’s waitlisted.

Again, not a cap.

Also not $10 next year.

After-School Recreation Care

Options include the After-School Recreation Care (ARC) Program for ages six to 12 years old and the Community Leadership After-School Program (CLASP) for ages 10 to 15 years old.

www.toronto.ca

ASRC isn’t daycare. It’s an after school program, at recreation centres, run by the parks department. It also doesn’t cover before-school. Arrangements must be made for kids to be moved from school to the rec centres. Out-of-school daycares like the YMCA generally do a group pickup/drop off for kids in their care.

No worries, you remain blocked, I simply look at content others have replied to.

So, what, symbolically blocked then?

I mean, I get that you wanted to be friends with me (receipts in PMs), but c’mon. Get over it dude.

 

[zang]

Senate bills are the equivalent of 'busy work' they do in kindergarten.

and yet about a fifth of bills introduced in senate get royal ascent (21/109)

Seems roughly the same rate as the HoC (72/303)

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

I'm a tried and true progressive; but to be clear, this is not remotely an option at this time. The cost would be astronomical, the tax hike stratospheric.

Zero chance.

I think we need to keep this conversation in the real world, rather than fantasy.

...you mean you are okay with those conversations being part of the problem, but scoff at potential meaningful solutions as "fantasy". But sorry, that's really isn't being progressive....it's more telling how you want the real world to be. And it doesn't have to be that way in my opinion.

But at least I should point out my even bigger fantasy of those "stratospheric" tax costs not being passed onto the consumer...well least not the ones scraping by. But I agree, that would take considerable tax reform to make that work. So I am willing to least have that conversation here.

 

[DirectionNorth]

So much a fantasy it's been done twice in this country, with Manitoba's Mincome and Ontario's OBI (both coincidentally cancelled by incoming Conservative governments), and a guaranteed livable income framework law is currently going through second reading in the senate.

The benefits are individual, the harms are on a wide scale (a $17000/year program, so the Ontario "pilot", is equivalent to more-than-doubling the federal budget; a taxation scheme would suck the life out of the economy, a deficit scheme would turn us into Argentina). A pilot for a few thousand people isn't a UBI pilot, it's a pilot for giving money to a few thousand people.

And don't say that OBI was minimum income and therefore not a $700 billion albatross, that's not how OAS works.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

...the fear mongering here is astronomical. >.<