afransen
Senior Member
I think the time to do that is if CUSMA negotiations break down or they threaten to abandon it entirely. Trump has capitulated on most of the tariffs against Canada, though some prominent ones remain.
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chrisw
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kEiThZ
Superstar
The goal should be to bring them to the table and demonstrate real consequences for going outside the deal. No deal is worthwhile if they can break it with impunity.
But admittedly this is difficult when Westerners are as happy to see Ontarians stave, as Americans.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Yeah. I don't care about the bullshit you're cutting and pasting everywhere. There's a clear aggressor and defender when a sovereign state gets invaded. And none of your conspiracy BS is going to get a free pass here.
Your "Ukraine was a wearing a short skirt. She had it coming." argument is not going to get free play here.
And it's particularly interesting that you are trying to talk about defending against the US while arguing that invasions are acceptable. By your own logic, the Americans making up some excuse about Chinese or Russian interference is justification enough to invade us.
EBT
Active Member
I don't know about the reliability of that article. It talks about CUSMA rules of origin. Donald Trump invoked Section 232 when he put on the 10% tariff on Canadian oil and gas which overrides CUSMA on the basis of "national security".
Here is an article to an Oil Pipeline Industry publication where a Canadian economist with a PhD in petroleum economics, management and policy describes the $12 billion shock to American refiners imposed by the 10% tariffs. I think there is little doubt that the 10% tariff is being applied. It is not something just on paper. https://pipelineonline.ca/kaase-gbakon-us-tariffs-on-canadian-energy-a-12-billion-shock-to-north-americas-energy-lifeline/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0
zang
Senior Member
Respected by whom? Other Libertarians?
Also, the NYTBL doesn’t mean something is good, accurate or worth reading.
FFS, Danielle Steele has won the honor dozens of times over.
Are you on this BS again? Let it go. The US was pro-euromaidan, but they didn’t support it financially.
Leave the tinfoil at home.
chrisw
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chrisw
Active Member
Aug 5th AP News
apnews.com
Goods that comply with the 2020 United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement that Trump negotiated during his first term are excluded from the tariffs.
Canada’s central bank says 100% of energy exports and 95% of other exports are compliant with the trade pact, known as USMCA. The Royal Bank estimated that almost 90% of Canadian exports appear to have accessed the U.S. market duty free in April.
Trump has some sector specific tariffs, known as 232 tariffs, that are having an impact. There is a 50% tariff on steel and aluminum imports and a 25% tariff on auto imports, though there is a carve-out for Canadian and Mexican made cars.
“Despite our advantages, certain major Canadian industries are being severely impacted by U.S. trade actions. These strategic sectors include autos, steel, aluminum, copper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, and of course, softwood lumber,” Carney said on Tuesday as he announced an aid package for the lumber industry as the U.S, ratches up duties.
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Crucial exemption allows majority of Canadian and Mexican goods to be shipped to US without tariffs
A key carve-out for Canada and Mexico shields the vast majority of goods from the punishing duties, even though U.S.
apnews.com
Goods that comply with the 2020 United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement that Trump negotiated during his first term are excluded from the tariffs.
Canada’s central bank says 100% of energy exports and 95% of other exports are compliant with the trade pact, known as USMCA. The Royal Bank estimated that almost 90% of Canadian exports appear to have accessed the U.S. market duty free in April.
Trump has some sector specific tariffs, known as 232 tariffs, that are having an impact. There is a 50% tariff on steel and aluminum imports and a 25% tariff on auto imports, though there is a carve-out for Canadian and Mexican made cars.
“Despite our advantages, certain major Canadian industries are being severely impacted by U.S. trade actions. These strategic sectors include autos, steel, aluminum, copper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, and of course, softwood lumber,” Carney said on Tuesday as he announced an aid package for the lumber industry as the U.S, ratches up duties.
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EBT
Active Member
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picard102
Senior Member
EBT
Active Member
Yes sir! I hereby promise that going forward I will not express any heterodox viewpoints and that I will faithfully parrot the US State Department official doctrine.
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picard102
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zang
Senior Member
"Respected journalist", "Noted American academics", "Award winning Hollywood producer"
If you didn't already know the stuff you were saying was sketchy (at best), why the need to attach superlatives to everyone you choose to bring up to support your ideas? It really feels like you're cherry picking with a heavy confirmation bias, then using an appeal to (very) propped up authority to support it.
Full Metal Junkie
Active Member
wow... Spoken like a true fan of RT "news"Nice cherrypicked collection of useful idiots and kremlin assets. Did you ever try looking at anything other than the "alternative facts"?
@EBT Do you mind spreading Russian propaganda elsewhere? I hear the new and improved Twitter is the place to be for "alternative thinkers" such as yourself.