[picard102]

A strawman from you, it seems, and an attempt write off real ethical violations, failures in government, and actual wasteful scandals from before and after the pandemic by labelling things "right wing" and defending them as if they were a sports team.

Regardless, the deficits were already present even before Covid, as the "Budget will balance itself" statement was made in 2014, long before Covid.

Deficits, existed pre-Justin. In fact Harper brought them back after years of surplus, only curtailing them in their last year with disastrous cuts and selling off crown corporations.
Your reliance on "scandals" to prove Justin "wreaked" the country are grasping.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

A strawman from you...

...the obligatory:

 

[jje1000]

Deficits, existed pre-Justin. In fact Harper brought them back after years of surplus, only curtailing them in their last year with disastrous cuts and selling off crown corporations.
Your reliance on "scandals" to prove Justin "wreaked" the country are grasping.

Reminder that the Liberal platform promised to run modest deficits of no more than $10 billion per year for three years, and to balance the budget by 2019.

Clearly that never took place, and on top of that, Liberal messaging during the campaign specifically targeted the deficits that Harper had in his budgets while promising to do better.

And your insistence that scandals and government waste with actual costs and failures of governance and morality should be brushed off as if they were meaningless- is nothing short of concerning.

I do gather you'd have rather people died than the government run a deficit, but the rest of the country didn't agree.

...the obligatory:

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• What the original quote says:
  It lists a range of criticisms about government mismanagement, corruption, erosion of cost of living, failure to balance the budget, broken promises, etc.
• What the response does:
  Instead of directly addressing the listed criticisms, it reframes the original poster as an extreme right-wing figure who prefers people dying to government deficits. That is a distorted exaggeration of the original critique, which focused on many governance issues, not on wanting people to die.
• The response also claims the country was not wrecked and that spending was not excessive, but it doesn’t engage point-by-point with the detailed accusations about scandals, transparency, and policy failures

Sounds like you don't either lol

 

[afransen]

Reminder that the Liberal platform promised to run modest deficits of no more than $10 billion per year for three years, and to balance the budget by 2019.

Clearly that never took place, and on top of that, Liberal messaging during the campaign specifically targeted the deficits that Harper had in his budgets while promising to do better.

And your insistence that scandals and government waste with actual costs and failures of governance and morality should be brushed off as if they were meaningless- is nothing short of concerning.



Sounds like you don't either lol

I'll remind you that Justin Trudeau is no longer PM, nor even a member of Parliament.

 

[jje1000]

I'll remind you that Justin Trudeau is no longer PM, nor even a member of Parliament.

Hence the original statement that Carney is the cleanup crew.

Some people seem to like taking offense to that for some reason, despite the actual reasons given.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

The projecting is rather strong here young Padawan...

...either way, the deficit thing is rather a pointless argument that only conservative types really have an issue with. It has very little to do with regular folks who are struggling day to day to get by...and only if to say to them that government is less likely to help them when they start to go on about it. It does very little to help the economy (unless one is stupidly rich). As well as State side is currently indicates, has very little to do with fiscal responsibility either.

But to catch the drift here, as it's already been stated enough...Carny wants to get it back under control, for right or wrong. And that will unlikely help the plight of the common folk as I have indicated. And probably the opposite. So there we go... /sigh

 

[jje1000]

The projecting is rather strong here young Padawan...

...either way, the deficit thing is rather a pointless argument that only conservative types really have an issue with. It has very little to do with regular folks who are struggling day to day to get by...and only if to say to them that government is less likely to help them when they start to go on about it. It does very little to help the economy (unless one is stupidly rich). As well as State side is currently indicates, has very little to do with fiscal responsibility either.

But to catch the drift here, as it's already been stated enough...Carny wants to get it back under control, for right or wrong. And that will unlikely help the plight of the common folk as I have indicated. And probably the opposite. So there we go... /sigh

Fiscal concerns and social concerns are not exclusive, and if the goal isn't austerity, it should be sustainability. As I've already mentioned before, interest rate payments on the debt (which is unavoidable) have already outpaced healthcare spending (which is discretionary). Even if debt is cheap at the time, it’s not free and eventually crowds out discretionary spending, especially in times of high inflation and interest rates.

A dollar spent on interest is a dollar not spent on healthcare, housing, transit, or clean water for Indigenous communities.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

^But if you do that, then that starts to restrict folks in spending money back into the economy as they have to cover things the government will no longer cover. And thus shrinks the tax base, so the interests rates will still be a problem at the end of the day. Better income redistribution instead will get the same to pay back into the economy and increase the tax base giving the government more leverage over interest rates and creating more sustainability. I know, those at the top will get less rich that way, but our country should not be just for those few anywhoose...

 

[picard102]

Reminder that the Liberal platform promised to run modest deficits of no more than $10 billion per year for three years, and to balance the budget by 2019.

Feel free to let us know what the deficits ran pre-covid were?

And your insistence that scandals and government waste with actual costs and failures of governance and morality should be brushed off as if they were meaningless- is nothing short of concerning.

Please tell me then how Justin going to a friends island "wreaked" Canada, or any of these other scandals.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

Ottawa cuts Confederation Bridge tolls

Tolls on the Confederation Bridge linking Prince Edward Island to Canada’s mainland will drop sharply starting Aug. 1, along with several other Atlantic travel fees, the prime minister said Monday. Fulfilling a promise the Liberals made during the April election campaign, Mark Carney said the...

toronto.citynews.ca

Prime Minister Mark Carney says that tolls on Prince Edward Island’s Confederation Bridge will be reduced starting Aug. 1, along with a handful of other Atlantic travel fees.

Starting Friday, the bridge toll for an average vehicle will drop from $50.25 to $20.

The government is also cutting fares in half for passengers, vehicles and commercial traffic on federally supported Eastern Canada ferry services, and eliminating all fuel surcharges for those services.

Marine Atlantic, a constitutionally mandated ferry service connecting Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, will reduce traveller fares by 50 per cent and freeze commercial freight rates.

The Marine Atlantic service is responsible for carrying 65 per cent of the goods that travel to and from Newfoundland.

Carney says the fee reductions are intended to boost interprovincial mobility, part of the government’s plan to reduce internal trade barriers in response to the U.S. trade war.

 

[jje1000]

Feel free to let us know what the deficits ran pre-covid were?

2016 Canadian federal budget - Wikipedia

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2017 Canadian federal budget - Wikipedia

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2018 Canadian federal budget - Wikipedia

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2019 Canadian federal budget - Wikipedia

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Please tell me then how Justin going to a friends island "wreaked" Canada, or any of these other scandals.

- Aga Khan- Trudeau was wined and dined by the Aga Khan Foundation, with the foundation receiving $50 million in federal funding, while Trudeau received a ruling from the Ethics Commissioner that he was in violation of the Conflict of Interest Act
- WE Charity- We Charities was handed a $912 million‑dollar contract despite its closeness to Trudeau family members without any competitive tendering and the government pushed through with the contract even after concerns were raised, while Trudeau only recused himself only after an intense backlash, even proguing government to shut down inquiries
- SNC‑Lavalin- The Conflict of Interest Commissioner formally concluded that Trudeau violated ethics rules by intentionally pressuring Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould to intervene in the SNC‑Lavalin prosecution and then threw her under the bus afterwards . Even the Ethics Commissioner ruled that Trudeau had contravened Section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act, which prohibits public office holders from using their position to influence others improperly. The report specifically said Trudeau directed his staff to influence the AG, and that Wilson-Raybould’s authority had been undermined as retribution for her defiance, all while the government repeatedly stonewalled calls for inquiry.
- Ultimately the above scandals symbolize part of the failure of the Trudeau government to live up to its promises of good governance (let's not forget his immediate betrayal of electoral reform)- Trudeau centralized power in the PMO (despite promising to undo that before the 2015 elections), while Ministers often lacked authority and were often just mouthpieces for PMO decisions. in his last act, following in the footsteps of Harper, he prorogued Parliament in 2025 when it became politically convenient for him in the face of a non-confidence vote- which pretty much summarizes the way he ruled.
- ArriveCAN & SDTC - Overruns ArriveCAN’s cost ballooned from $80,000 to $54 million through suspicious solo-sourced contracts to scammy non-entities like GC Strategies.
- SDTC - Misallocation of $390 million while $58 million went to ineligible projects with no demonstrated environmental benefit; many recipients had conflicts of interest and no real products, symbolizing yet more expensive governmental and procure failures.
- GST rebate & Carbon Tax Exemption Failures- Not much needs to be said- naked flailing opportunism in the face of polling failure that undermined the mandates of each program (what point is a Carbon tax if you can magically exempt an entire energy source from it?).
- Foreign Interference Failures Reports- The government resisted calls for a public inquiry on Chinese and Indian interference even after repeated intelligence warnings emerged as early as 2019, only relenting in 2023, long after damage was done in the 2019 and 2021 elections.
- Immigration Failure- Trudeau’s policies ramped up questionable pathways of immigration levels the beck and call of corporations to the millions without planning or spending for housing, infrastructure, unemployment, or services. This last act is absolutely the worst in terms of its long-term effects (during the massive wave of immigration GDP-per capita decreased for Canadians), and he should be remembered solely for of destroying our immigration system and the previously settled national consensus on immigration.

Funny how you try to minimize it to "going to a friend's island", but ultimately we will look back at Trudeau's legacy as one symbolized by a pattern of repeated poor governmental decision-making, ethical breaches, repeated wastefulness, and a retreat from any stewardship in regards to housing and immigration- something that Carney will have to clean up.

 

[picard102]

2016 Canadian federal budget - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2017 Canadian federal budget - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2018 Canadian federal budget - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2019 Canadian federal budget - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So mostly decreasing the decificts.

- Aga Khan- Trudeau was wined and dined by the Aga Khan Foundation, with the foundation receiving $50 million in federal funding, while Trudeau received a ruling from the Ethics Commissioner that he was in violation of the Conflict of Interest Act

Which "Wreaked" Canada how?

- WE Charity- We Charities was handed a $912 million‑dollar contract despite its closeness to Trudeau family members without any competitive tendering and the government pushed through with the contract even after concerns were raised, while Trudeau only recused himself only after an intense backlash, even proguing government to shut down inquiries

Which "Wreaked" Canada how? Show me where Trudeau instructed the civil service to select We Charity to deliver the program.

- SNC‑Lavalin- The Conflict of Interest Commissioner formally concluded that Trudeau violated ethics rules by intentionally pressuring Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould to intervene in the SNC‑Lavalin prosecution and then threw her under the bus afterwards . Even the Ethics Commissioner ruled that Trudeau had contravened Section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act, which prohibits public office holders from using their position to influence others improperly. The report specifically said Trudeau directed his staff to influence the AG, and that Wilson-Raybould’s authority had been undermined as retribution for her defiance, all while the government repeatedly stonewalled calls for inquiry.

Which "Wreaked" Canada how?

- Ultimately the above scandals symbolize part of the failure of the Trudeau government to live up to its promises of good governance (let's not forget his immediate betrayal of electoral reform)- Trudeau centralized power in the PMO (despite promising to undo that before the 2015 elections), while Ministers often lacked authority and were often just mouthpieces for PMO decisions. in his last act, following in the footsteps of Harper, he prorogued Parliament in 2025 when it became politically convenient for him in the face of a non-confidence vote- which pretty much summarizes the way he ruled.

Which "Wreaked" Canada how? Not living up to a campaign promise isn't some new phenomenon created by Justin.

- ArriveCAN & SDTC - Overruns ArriveCAN’s cost ballooned from $80,000 to $54 million through suspicious solo-sourced contracts to scammy non-entities like GC Strategies.

Which "Wreaked" Canada how? Suspicious how, provide evidence.

- SDTC - Misallocation of $390 million while $58 million went to ineligible projects with no demonstrated environmental benefit; many recipients had conflicts of interest and no real products, symbolizing yet more expensive governmental and procure failures.

Which "Wreaked" Canada how? Was Verschuren in cabinet?

- GST rebate & Carbon Tax Exemption Failures- Not much needs to be said- naked flailing opportunism in the face of polling failure that undermined the mandates of each program (what point is a Carbon tax if you can magically exempt an entire energy source from it?).

Which "Wreaked" Canada how? It'd be a pretty paper thin nation to be wrecked by a policy that had bad PR.

- Foreign Interference Failures Reports- The government resisted calls for a public inquiry on Chinese and Indian interference even after repeated intelligence warnings emerged as early as 2019, only relenting in 2023, long after damage was done in the 2019 and 2021 elections.

Which "Wreaked" Canada how? What damage was done in those elections?

- Immigration Failure- Trudeau’s policies ramped up questionable pathways of immigration levels the beck and call of corporations to the millions without planning or spending for housing, infrastructure, unemployment, or services. This last act is absolutely the worst in terms of its long-term effects (during the massive wave of immigration GDP-per capita decreased for Canadians), and he should be remembered solely for of destroying our immigration system and the previously settled national consensus on immigration.

Which "Wreaked" Canada how? Do we ignore the provinces roles in this or are we hand waving those away to blame Trudeau?

Funny how you try to minimize it to "going to a friend's island", but ultimately we will look back at Trudeau's legacy as one symbolized by a pattern of repeated poor governmental decision-making, ethical breaches, repeated wastefulness, and a retreat from any stewardship in regards to housing and immigration- something that Carney will have to clean up.

It's funny how your talking points are just more of the same rage baiting as usual, with nothing to back up your claim that Trudeau wreaked Canada.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

I should post sometime about how it's not scandals that really count at the end of the day, but government policy instead. I mean for example, if the government where to round up all trans folks and send off to special camps (policy), but claim they would run a cleaner government (scandal free)...I would never vote for them, even with a gun to my head. Again, policy is what is important...not the sitting government's record on scandal.

...and in that, there is no government or party that will be unscathed and/or immune to scandal. As the government is body made up of different people with varying personal constitutions and ethical standards...so the chance of something going pear shaped here is almost a given and inevitable. This should by no means justify corruption, as that should still be held in account and corrected...rather it's a thing that doesn't really effect the general public quite like the way policy does. Again, State side currently is very demonstrative of that...

...but to be fair, there's an awful lot of corruption there too. But folks really didn't vote for Trump and his Loompa goons because they planned to run a clean government. Just saying.

 

[jje1000]

I should post sometime about how it's not scandals that really count at the end of the day, but government policy instead. I mean for example, if the government where to round up all trans folks and send off to special camps (policy), but claim they would run a cleaner government (scandal free)...I would never vote for them, even with a gun to my head. Again, policy is what is important...not the sitting government's record on scandal.

...and in that, there is no government or party that will be unscathed and/or immune to scandal. As the government is body made up of different people with varying personal constitutions and ethical standards...so the chance of something going pear shaped here is almost a given and inevitable. This should by no means justify corruption, as that should still be held in account and corrected...rather it's a thing that doesn't really effect the general public quite like the way policy does. Again, State side currently is very demonstrative of that...

...but to be fair, there's an awful lot of corruption there too. But folks really didn't vote for Trump and his Loompa goons because they planned to run a clean government. Just saying.

I mean immigration is a crucial state policy that the Liberals have wrecked and should be remembered for decades to come. Same with fiscal policy, foreign policy, and believe or not, ethics and governance.

This is why frustration with the Trudeau government built up over time, on part due to repeated policy failures, and why Canadians tend to vote governments out of power rather than vote for a government.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

^...which is ridiculous, because we would of ended up with a party in control that would of been much, much worse. It's unfortunate that the electorate is not informed on their civics as they should be. And to put that mildly. But either way,, nice try...but my point still stands. /shrug