[Northern Light]

Well, the Feds are out w/the expected news release on eliminating mandatory use of ArriveCan........

But its more comprehensive than that; every Covid Related rule/restriction is gone.

No Vaccination requirements, No Reporting, No isolation/quarantine and No masking on trains/planes.

Government of Canada to remove COVID-19 border and travel measures effective October 1 - Canada.ca

Today the Government of Canada announced the removal of all COVID-19 entry restrictions, as well as testing, quarantine, and isolation requirements for anyone entering Canada, effective October 1, 2022.

www.canada.ca

From the above:

 

[Towered]

Will there be a declaration of the end of the pandemic, or will it just quietly fade away without official acknowledgement?

 

[PinkLucy]

I’m interpreting this as the declaration

 

[lenaitch]

Will there be a declaration of the end of the pandemic, or will it just quietly fade away without official acknowledgement?

I suspect elements of the response will simply fade away. A formal declaration of victory by the government could come back to bit them in the butt if we get a resurgence. Besides, if the feds declare 'fini', are we back to the provinces buying vaccines on their own?

 

[Bayer]

The pandemic is nowhere near finished. There have been more deaths so far this year than in 2021, and the virus is continuing to adapt, whether or not we're tired of the whole thing.

 

[Richard White]

The pandemic is nowhere near finished. There have been more deaths so far this year than in 2021, and the virus is continuing to adapt, whether or not we're tired of the whole thing.

It is this type of thinking that will keep holding us back.

We can't live in fear. At some point we need to move on with our lives.

 

[lenaitch]

It is this type of thinking that will keep holding us back.

We can't live in fear. At some point we need to move on with our lives.

However cut short they may be for some.

 

[PinkLucy]

Taking appropriate precautions isn’t living in fear.

We have to learn to live with covid and so long as it is highly contagious and a public health threat, we can responsibly respond to that. It is also up to people to not spread disease. “Living with it “ doesn’t have to mean infecting your neighbours when there are ways to prevent that. For too long, we have thought that “sucking it up “ and going to work when ill meant we were somehow noble.

 

[Bayer]

It is this type of thinking that will keep holding us back.

We can't live in fear. At some point we need to move on with our lives.

This "kind of thinking" is called reality. And the reality is that in this country, more people have died of COVID-19 this year than last year. There are almost twice as many people in the hospital with COVID now than at the same time last year. The virus is not becoming milder nor less dangerous, and it is continuing to adapt to everything we throw at it. The reality is also that public health officials have abandoned their duty to protect public health, and consequently, most people have stopped caring about others.

The pandemic won't end when we want it to end. That's not the way nature works.

 

[DirectionNorth]

This "kind of thinking" is called reality. And the reality is that in this country, more people have died of COVID-19 this year than last year. There are almost twice as many people in the hospital with COVID now than at the same time last year. The virus is not becoming milder nor less dangerous, and it is continuing to adapt to everything we throw at it. The reality is also that public health officials have abandoned their duty to protect public health, and consequently, most people have stopped caring about others.

The pandemic won't end when we want it to end. That's not the way nature works.

Most people have become tired of the pandemic, because the messaging has been so negative and because they've gone through so many lockdowns over the past two years.

At the end, a new mask mandate (or lockdown, or whatever) isn't going to gain wide public acceptance, because we've been through it the last two years and there are still COVID-waves.

 

[Bayer]

Most people have become tired of the pandemic, because the messaging has been so negative and because they've gone through so many lockdowns over the past two years.

At the end, a new mask mandate (or lockdown, or whatever) isn't going to gain wide public acceptance, because we've been through it the last two years and there are still COVID-waves.

There is no reason why a pandemic should be of any specific duration. Again, that's reality. The virus continues to mutate, and therefore, the vaccines that we thought would put an end to it are less effective than anticipated. While people stick their heads in the sand, hundreds die every day in North America, and caring for the thousands who are hospitalized right here in Canada continues to strain our health resources. We should have at least kept the mask mandate.

 

[Richard White]

There is no reason why a pandemic should be of any specific duration. Again, that's reality. The virus continues to mutate, and therefore, the vaccines that we thought would put an end to it are less effective than anticipated. While people stick their heads in the sand, hundreds die every day in North America, and caring for the thousands who are hospitalized right here in Canada continues to strain our health resources. We should have at least kept the mask mandate.

Here's the thing.

You can't keep the world living under a pandemic until the virus is eradicated. That is what you're proposing.

At some point the world needs to move on.

 

[T3G]

Most people have become tired of the pandemic, because the messaging has been so negative and because they've gone through so many lockdowns over the past two years.

At the end, a new mask mandate (or lockdown, or whatever) isn't going to gain wide public acceptance, because we've been through it the last two years and there are still COVID-waves.

I think the quasi lockdown they did in December that closed only the things that required the vaccine passport torpedoed public support for a lot of the restrictions. I can't see any of them coming back this winter, the more restrictions they lift the harder it will be to reverse course in the winter.

If even the feds have lifted their rules I'd say we're as good as done.

 

[Northern Light]

There is no reason why a pandemic should be of any specific duration. Again, that's reality. The virus continues to mutate, and therefore, the vaccines that we thought would put an end to it are less effective than anticipated. While people stick their heads in the sand, hundreds die every day in North America, and caring for the thousands who are hospitalized right here in Canada continues to strain our health resources. We should have at least kept the mask mandate.

There is a challenge with that...... beyond the obvious.

In reality, based on current published data, Canada has experienced less than 0.1% excess deaths over the course of the pandemic. That's less than 0.04% over the course of any given year.

That simply can't justify perpetual 'crisis management'; in any society.

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...ive-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&country=~CAN

We're currently running at 2 deaths, per day, Canada wide. As @Bayer noted, the daily average is 32 over that period, I think the wording on the data chart is a bit confusing, but I digress, and stand corrected.

As measured against this chart, showing Covid as the #3 cause of death in the year 2020:

Credit noted above

One would assess that Covid is no longer considered a top 10 cause of death in Canada. * As per the correction I made above, Covid would be the #6 cause of death in Canada at annualized rates, based on the most recent totals.

That's not to suggest one should be ignorant of the risks, nor inconsiderate to others; but if one is going to take a proportionate response to risk, based on the data, we would
justify a number of crisis-level actions in regards to issues other than Covid.

I find it unlikely the public has an appetite for that level of interventionism.

 

[Bayer]

There is a challenge with that...... beyond the obvious.

In reality, based on current published data, Canada has experienced less than 0.1% excess deaths over the course of the pandemic. That's less than 0.04% over the course of any given year.

That simply can't justify perpetual 'crisis management'; in any society.

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Source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...ive-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&country=~CAN

We're currently running at 2 deaths, per day, Canada wide.

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If one applies the most recent weekly average, to an annualized number you would get ~1,600 deaths per year.

As measured against this chart, showing Covid as the #3 cause of death in the year 2020:

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Credit noted above

One would assess that Covid is no longer considered a top 10 cause of death in Canada.

That's not to suggest one should be ignorant of the risks, nor inconsiderate to others; but if one is going to take a proportionate response to risk, based on the data, we would
justify a number of crisis-level actions in regards to issues other than Covid.

I find it unlikely the public has an appetite for that level of interventionism.

You are misreading the data. We are not at 2 deaths per day at all. There were 2 reported deaths yesterday, but the 7-day average is 32. The fact that the death toll has been higher so far than last year has been widely reported in both languages.

A mask mandate would not be onerous at all. That's all I would be asking for.