UtakataNoAnnex
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^Hope they dial it up to the nines.
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Cobra
Senior Member
You mean facilitating ethnic cleansing instead of coercing Israel to stop its war crime...No wonder Europe has became a joke in the eyes of the Global South. Even BRICS rejected FranceLooks like the release valve has been opened to Gazan resettlement in France:
En France, les exilés gazaouis pourront tous prétendre au statut de réfugié
Une décision rendue ce vendredi 11 juillet par la Cour nationale du droit d’asile reconnaît que les demandeurs d’asile palestiniens venus de la bande de Gaza sont persécutés en raison de leur nationa…www.mediapart.fr
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La France accorde pour la première fois le statut de réfugié aux Gazaouis non reconnus par l’UNRWA
La Cour nationale du droit d’asile a estimé ce vendredi que les «méthodes de guerre» israéliennes étaient «suffisamment graves» pour être qualifiées de «persécution». Jusqu’à présent, seuls les Palestiniens déjà protégés par l’ONU pouvaient obtenir le statut.www.lefigaro.fr
kEiThZ
Superstar
Looks like the release valve has been opened to Gazan resettlement in France:
En France, les exilés gazaouis pourront tous prétendre au statut de réfugié
Une décision rendue ce vendredi 11 juillet par la Cour nationale du droit d’asile reconnaît que les demandeurs d’asile palestiniens venus de la bande de Gaza sont persécutés en raison de leur nationa…
.La France accorde pour la première fois le statut de réfugié aux Gazaouis non reconnus par l’UNRWA
La Cour nationale du droit d’asile a estimé ce vendredi que les «méthodes de guerre» israéliennes étaient «suffisamment graves» pour être qualifiées de «persécution». Jusqu’à présent, seuls les Palestiniens déjà protégés par l’ONU pouvaient obtenir le statut.
That's one way to get Le Pen elected.....
lead82
Senior Member
Le Pen will get elected as Macron is a sitting duck President. France and most of Europe has become a refugee dump and in smaller countries like Belgium the refugees and immigrants are becoming the majority and that’s essentially cultural and eventually population extinction of a native population. European far right will only grow in popularity because Europe is not like North America and they should stop importing so many migrants and cut the benefits to them because it allows them to live without contributing to the country, meaning they don’t integrate and cause crime and chaos.
Northern Light
Superstar
The term you were looking for was 'lame duck'.
Please submit a citation in support of this.
While certainly there are more assylum seekers than in cerement memory and there is certainly friction/discontent over this in places.....
I can't find any source placing the numbers of above 20,000,000 (20 million) out of a population of 744 million for Europe as a whole, and more practically 450 million for the European Union.
So, at most, we're talking ~4%, pending evidence to the contrary.
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More broadly, 14% of the European Union population is foreign born. (inclusive of legal immigrants)
This compares to 23% of the Canadian population and 31% of the Australian population and is almost identical o the number of 14% in the U.S.
Belgium is an interesting case, though, its important to note that Brussels is the capital of the E-U.
This is not all population from outside Europe, it includes politicians/staff from throughout the E-U. as you might expect.
But yes, the rate of foreign-born is extremely high in Belgium.
Citation needed.
Undoubtedly some immigrants/refugees are a problem in some nations, but your broad-based swipe does not read well at all, absent evidence in support of that claim it reads worse still.
A brief survey of the literature suggests that when adjusted for economic circumstance, immigrants in France are no more likely to engage in crime than the general population.
Here's the homicide rate with a 15-year trendline for the E-U:
Hmmm, looks to be trending down to me.
Ah, but its property crime you say:
Hmm, I don't see the evidence there either.
Now, important to concede, there is an uptick in sexual violence/rape:
That requires further follow up though to establish the link to reporting rate, changes in laws, (consent/age of consent etc.). I don't have time for a deep dive there at the moment.
But on cursory observation, your suggestion does not seem to be born out the by the evidence.
That's not to suggest there is no linkage at all, for a variety of reasons, but its incumbent on you to provide evidence in support of such a controversial position.
kEiThZ
Superstar
^ Things like the Grooming Scandal in the UK aren't helping the reputation of immigrants and refugees. There were also stories like this:
en.m.wikipedia.org
en.m.wikipedia.org
Which follows after this:
en.m.wikipedia.org
Looks like attacking Christmas Markets is starting to become a tradition for terrorists.
I don't think it helps that authorities routinely try to downplay the involvement of refugees or immigrants in these incidents, which then breeds accusations of official complicity, undermining trust in government.
I just hope we aren't setting up for a similar backlash in Canada. That's what was bad about the strip mall college student surge. But we also have problems like this:
nationalpost.com
I am not a fan of telling people they shouldn't be worried at all about any of this. Or that their concerns aren't legitimate. That's how you get the the far right into power.
2015–16 New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany - Wikipedia
2024 Magdeburg car attack - Wikipedia
Which follows after this:
2016 Berlin truck attack - Wikipedia
Looks like attacking Christmas Markets is starting to become a tradition for terrorists.
I don't think it helps that authorities routinely try to downplay the involvement of refugees or immigrants in these incidents, which then breeds accusations of official complicity, undermining trust in government.
I just hope we aren't setting up for a similar backlash in Canada. That's what was bad about the strip mall college student surge. But we also have problems like this:
FIRST READING: Canadian Islamic preacher again in spotlight after calling for destruction of Jews
South Africa-born Younus Kathrada has a lengthy history of extremist rhetoric.
nationalpost.com
I am not a fan of telling people they shouldn't be worried at all about any of this. Or that their concerns aren't legitimate. That's how you get the the far right into power.
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lead82
Senior Member
Here is an example and citation from Sweden:
Src:
www.gisreportsonline.com
The core issue is lack of integration of a large number of immigrant groups, which is creating a large spike in crime - “Sweden has one of the highest gun death rates per capita of any European country for which there are figures.”
The key issue is really that Europe needs to figure out how much migrants it can absorb that is manageable. It also needs to keep the native population from becoming a minority on its own lands. In a country like Sweden, having a large immigrant population that becomes the majority who can then demand a parallel society with parallel laws (e.g. Sharia law) is a path to ruin for a society with very levels of trust and peaceful existence. Already Sweden is unable to manage crime in certain areas which are no go zones (e.g. certain Stockholm and Malmö suburbs). Similar issues are happening in other smaller countries.
This is a problem really for all Western countries to some degree as we all have to figure out what is a manageable level and how to build a pluralistic society. It’s a bit easier in US/Canada as we are a population of mostly immigrants and we have opportunities for immigrants to integrate. We aren’t immune here in Canada and we are seeing the beginning of the end of mass approvals of high number of immigrants due to our inability to absorb such high numbers without the infrastructure (physical and social) and economic opportunity to support such large population increases.
In Europe that is much harder, especially for visible minorities because many small countries don’t really want immigration but it’s hoisted upon them by the EU or certain politicians.
However the issue in Europe is one of survival. The demographics are awful, much like in Japan where the native population is dying off and the younger population is majority immigrants and in many cases visible majorities. What happens when demographics become destiny especially for smaller European countries- many cultures may simply disappear by the end of the century or become minorities in their own lands. It doesn’t bode well for social stability and cohesion.
This isn’t a unique thing in Europe. We are seeing the symptoms of this everywhere why we see the rise of nationalism or nationalistic type of politics - as it is there to address an element of fear in the population. It’s also one reason why Trump won in the U.S. last year. The U.S. is going to become a country where the majority white population will become a minority and that change of demographics will not be simple to address politically.
Src:
Sweden faces a crisis because of flood of immigrants
Immigrants have transformed Sweden, creating a national crisis because many of the newcomers are integrating poorly into society.
www.gisreportsonline.com
The core issue is lack of integration of a large number of immigrant groups, which is creating a large spike in crime - “Sweden has one of the highest gun death rates per capita of any European country for which there are figures.”
The key issue is really that Europe needs to figure out how much migrants it can absorb that is manageable. It also needs to keep the native population from becoming a minority on its own lands. In a country like Sweden, having a large immigrant population that becomes the majority who can then demand a parallel society with parallel laws (e.g. Sharia law) is a path to ruin for a society with very levels of trust and peaceful existence. Already Sweden is unable to manage crime in certain areas which are no go zones (e.g. certain Stockholm and Malmö suburbs). Similar issues are happening in other smaller countries.
This is a problem really for all Western countries to some degree as we all have to figure out what is a manageable level and how to build a pluralistic society. It’s a bit easier in US/Canada as we are a population of mostly immigrants and we have opportunities for immigrants to integrate. We aren’t immune here in Canada and we are seeing the beginning of the end of mass approvals of high number of immigrants due to our inability to absorb such high numbers without the infrastructure (physical and social) and economic opportunity to support such large population increases.
In Europe that is much harder, especially for visible minorities because many small countries don’t really want immigration but it’s hoisted upon them by the EU or certain politicians.
However the issue in Europe is one of survival. The demographics are awful, much like in Japan where the native population is dying off and the younger population is majority immigrants and in many cases visible majorities. What happens when demographics become destiny especially for smaller European countries- many cultures may simply disappear by the end of the century or become minorities in their own lands. It doesn’t bode well for social stability and cohesion.
This isn’t a unique thing in Europe. We are seeing the symptoms of this everywhere why we see the rise of nationalism or nationalistic type of politics - as it is there to address an element of fear in the population. It’s also one reason why Trump won in the U.S. last year. The U.S. is going to become a country where the majority white population will become a minority and that change of demographics will not be simple to address politically.
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picard102
Senior Member
Great article with more islamophobia and fear mongering about Shira law.
Northern Light
Superstar
Here is an example and citation from Sweden:
Src:
Sweden faces a crisis because of flood of immigrants
Immigrants have transformed Sweden, creating a national crisis because many of the newcomers are integrating poorly into society.
The core issue is lack of integration of a large number of immigrant groups, which is creating a large spike in crime - “Sweden has one of the highest gun death rates per capita of any European country for which there are figures.”
The key issue is really that Europe needs to figure out how much migrants it can absorb that is manageable. It also needs to keep the native population from becoming a minority on its own lands. In a country like Sweden, having a large immigrant population that becomes the majority who can then demand a parallel society with parallel laws (e.g. Sharia law) is a path to ruin for a society with very levels of trust and peaceful existence. Already Sweden is unable to manage crime in certain areas which are no go zones (e.g. certain Stockholm and Malmö suburbs). Similar issues are happening in other smaller countries.
This is a problem really for all Western countries to some degree as we all have to figure out what is a manageable level and how to build a pluralistic society. It’s a bit easier in US/Canada as we are a population of mostly immigrants and we have opportunities for immigrants to integrate. We aren’t immune here in Canada and we are seeing the beginning of the end of mass approvals of high number of immigrants due to our inability to absorb such high numbers without the infrastructure (physical and social) and economic opportunity to support such large population increases.
In Europe that is much harder, especially for visible minorities because many small countries don’t really want immigration but it’s hoisted upon them by the EU or certain politicians.
However the issue in Europe is one of survival. The demographics are awful, much like in Japan where the native population is dying off and the younger population is majority immigrants and in many cases visible majorities. What happens when demographics become destiny especially for smaller European countries- many cultures may simply disappear by the end of the century or become minorities in their own lands. It doesn’t bode well for social stability and cohesion.
This isn’t a unique thing in Europe. We are seeing the symptoms of this everywhere why we see the rise of nationalism or nationalistic type of politics - as it is there to address an element of fear in the population. It’s also one reason why Trump won in the U.S. last year. The U.S. is going to become a country where the majority white population will become a minority and that change of demographics will not be simple to address politically.
Sweden's homicide rate declined last year, to its lowest in a decade:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-recorded-lowest-number-homicides-decade-2024-2025-03-31/
Yes, they have had integration problems with some immigrants, and yes, some of it ties into gang violence, but its also too simplistic to suggest that is the principle cause.
How gang violence took hold of Sweden – in five charts
Scandinavian country has second highest gun crime death rate in Europe, with poverty and inequality among driving factors
www.theguardian.com
There is clearly a link to the long term economic success (or not) of a given area, irrespective of its ethnic composition. There is a suggested link in the above story to social media's role.
I was among the first to highlight the role of inordinate, foreign students and TFWs in our housing crisis, and stagnant wages.
So I'm all for honesty and transparency even when the subject is touchy and the opinion may not be popular.
However, I think that needs to be balanced; not only by properly delineating correlation and causation, but also by understanding why a particular group segment may be an issue; and why.
One can absolutely critique that some individuals or groups should have been admitted to a given country, or that the overall volume posed challenges for services or integration, but letting that stretch into fear mongering and hyperbole is not wise either.
wopchop
Building Toronto
Since some nonsense about Belgium and how refugees are the majority now was posted above, here you go https://statbel.fgov.be/en/themes/population/structure-population/origin
So basically, about 35% of the population of Belgium is non-Belgian, but of that 25%, approx 45% of those non-Belgians are from the Europe.
AlbertC
Superstar
The Albanian government approved a $1.4 billion deal with Jared Kushner to develop the uninhabited island of Sazan into a "luxury resort".
theweek.com
Jared and Ivanka's Albanian island
The billion-dollar deal to develop Sazan has been met with widespread opposition
theweek.com