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spmarshall
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Now arriving at Teston. Teston Station. This is a Canal Road Train Station bound train on the Yonge-University-Spadina-Keele line. Next stop is King City. King City Station.
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Now arriving at Teston. Teston Station. This is a Canal Road Train Station bound train on the Yonge-University-Spadina-Keele line. Next stop is King City. King City Station.
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dan e 1980
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we could tunnel all the way to into lake simcoe and have the subway serve a dual purpose as a water pipline.
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from the budget website:
STRENGTHENING ONTARIO'S TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE
New $1.2 Billion Investment In Transit, Roads And Bridges
In this Budget, the McGuinty government is building opportunity through Move Ontario, a major, one-time $1.2 billion investment in the province's public transit systems, municipal roads and bridges.
The Ontario economy outperformed both the private-sector and government projections in 2005, resulting in unanticipated additional revenues. The McGuinty government has made a strategic and prudent choice to invest more than 60 per cent of the one-time revenues to pay down Ontario's transportation infrastructure deficit.
The government's public transit investments through Move Ontario could lead to projects totalling about
$2.5 billion in value, that, together with provincial funding for municipal roads and bridges, have the potential to generate up to 27,000 jobs across Ontario. Move Ontario will create a competitive advantage, economic growth and a higher standard of living for the people of Ontario.
GTA Public Transit
This Budget includes a new one-time investment of $838 million in transit in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) — the largest provincial investment in municipal transit infrastructure improvements in the GTA since the mid-1970s. This includes providing $670 million through a Move Ontario Trust to Toronto and York Region, enabling them to extend the subway to the Vaughan Corporate Centre at Highway 7, and providing $167 million to Mississauga, Brampton and York Region for transit projects.
Extending the subway to York Region would:
* extend the subway system into the 905 region, crossing a regional boundary for the first time;
* eliminate 30 million car trips annually;
* improve connections with VIVA — York Region's transit system — Brampton Transit and GO Transit;
* provide rapid transit service to more than 65,000 individuals commuting to York University;
* help address rapid growth in York Region, which has grown by more than 50 per cent over the past 10 years; and
* reduce congestion on the Yonge line by diverting 10 per cent of passengers to the Spadina line.
In addition to the Move Ontario investment, the Province is providing a one-time $200 million transit investment to the City of Toronto that the City will be able to use to support subway operations.
The Move Ontario enhancements to GTA public transit systems would:
* provide $95 million to the City of Brampton, enabling the City to provide express transit service on several streets, including Queen Street and Main Street, through the $280 million Brampton AcceleRide project. The first phase of this project would be operational by 2008;
* provide $65 million to the City of Mississauga, enabling the City to build the Mississauga Transitway, a $259 million project for a separate bus right-of-way along Highway 403 and Eglinton Avenue. The Province will also support the Transitway through an additional $25 million in GO Transit investments. The Transitway would carry 5,000 to 10,000 people per hour at peak times in 2011;
* provide $7 million in York Region for the environmental assessment and detailed planning required for Phase II of VIVA Transit; and
* provide $1 million towards an environmental assessment relating to the future of the Scarborough subway.
Greater Toronto Transportation Authority
The Government of Ontario will improve the planning and coordination of public transit in the GTA by:
* introducing legislation in 2006 to establish the Greater Toronto Transportation Authority (GTTA). The GTTA would plan, coordinate and set priorities for public transit investments and major regional roads; and
* helping to develop the GTA Fare Card System. This integrated-ticket system will allow people to move easily across nine municipal transit systems and GO Transit with a single fare card. The system will begin to link Mississauga Transit and GO Transit services in 2007.
Improving Municipal Roads and Bridges Across Ontario
Under Move Ontario, the government is providing a one-time injection of $400 million to municipalities — primarily outside the GTA, with emphasis on rural and northern communities — to assist with road and bridge maintenance and construction projects. That's enough to repair up to 800 bridges or to resurface 3,000 kilometres of two-lane municipal roads — about the distance from Thunder Bay to Ottawa and back.
The Move Ontario projects are in addition to the McGuinty government's five-year, $30 billion ReNew Ontario infrastructure plan.
Supporting Transit Across Ontario
The Province will provide municipalities with greater flexibility on the use of the gas tax transfer. Municipalities will no longer be restricted to using this funding for capital transit expansion purposes. They will now also be able to use this funding for transit-system operations.
By October 2006, the government will have fulfilled its commitment to permanently provide two cents of the gas tax each year to municipalities. In five years, this program will have delivered more than $1.4 billion to public transit in Ontario.
The government is also moving forward with a new, predictable, multi-year municipal bus replacement program. To ensure existing demands are satisfied until the new program is up and running, the Province is providing $114 million to those municipalities that have placed orders for new buses or bus refurbishments.
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Contact:
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Ministry of Finance
416-325-0324
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Chuck100
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Given that the province's priority has been Spadina from day one, I have no problem with the line going up to VCC. It's not as though it beat out other seriously considered subway lines. As far as operating costs go, it's probable that a fair agreement will be worked out between Toronto and York Region.
It's just a little bit ironic and frustrating that the least deserving municipality bordering Toronto is also the first one to get the subway. You would think that places which actually have coherent growth plans like Mississauga and Markham would get something decent too.
It's just a little bit ironic and frustrating that the least deserving municipality bordering Toronto is also the first one to get the subway. You would think that places which actually have coherent growth plans like Mississauga and Markham would get something decent too.
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rbtaylor
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York Region and York University have lobbied quite heavily for decades for it to happen and have, recently, been aggressive at setting up a resonable transit system in the area.
Mississauga has repeatedly turned down the shortest extension to them (they want Eglinton, not Bloor) and have made minimal investment and planning for their own transit system. A subway by itself is useless.
I am surprised at the lack of funding for Ottawa. I had thought they were ready to go forward with their LRT plans and required funding to move forward on that initiative.
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spmarshall
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I thought the funding for Ottawa's LRT was already secured. The signs along the proposed route had the logos for Canada, Ontario and Ottawa.
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Observer Walt
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The problem with extending the Bloor subway into Mississauga is that many kilometres of expensive line would be built to serve relatively low-density areas.
Miss. would probably much prefer an Eglinton line as it would serve the big Airport Corporate Centre office concentration, as well as the airport itself. The problem with this line is that it is a relatively low priority for Toronto (down at least to 4th or 5th place on any realistic Toronto wish list). In addition, it would have to pass through some exceptionally low-density areas of Toronto before getting out to Mississauga.
Miss. would probably much prefer an Eglinton line as it would serve the big Airport Corporate Centre office concentration, as well as the airport itself. The problem with this line is that it is a relatively low priority for Toronto (down at least to 4th or 5th place on any realistic Toronto wish list). In addition, it would have to pass through some exceptionally low-density areas of Toronto before getting out to Mississauga.
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thenay
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Good news for the subway line to York Uni, over 40,000 people attend that Uni and I think many will use it, the downfall, we need Federal support to actually see it happen, and with the Conservatives in that position right now I don't see it coming anytime soon, time will tell.
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Suicidal Gingerbread Man
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Re: The Bloor Line.
I think they could easily extent it westward from Kipling to Sherway Gardens. In fact, that was the plan at one point. There would have been two extra stops, East Mall and Sherway. That would have brought it right to the border with Mississauga. If they want it to go any further, that's Mississauga's problem.
I think they could easily extent it westward from Kipling to Sherway Gardens. In fact, that was the plan at one point. There would have been two extra stops, East Mall and Sherway. That would have brought it right to the border with Mississauga. If they want it to go any further, that's Mississauga's problem.
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FutureMayor
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cdl42
Totally agree with you about using the Milton GO Line to get to MCC as opposed to extending the Bloor line into Mississauga with a diversion into Sherway Garden along the way.
That being said we shouldn't be spending over $2 billion for a subway out to a non-existent Vaughan Corporate Centre.
If we are going to spend money like that, the subway might as well be extended to MCC instead where there is demand for rapid transit as we speak.
As an alternative, Mississauga finally gets it's long awaited 14 station Transitway Line to connect the Kipling subway to MCC.
The provincial budget allocated $65 million plus another $25 million through GO Transit for a total $90 million. If Ottawa and Mississauga come through with it's 1/3 share of $90 million each we have $270 to fund and complete the line.
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cdl42
Totally agree with you about using the Milton GO Line to get to MCC as opposed to extending the Bloor line into Mississauga with a diversion into Sherway Garden along the way.
That being said we shouldn't be spending over $2 billion for a subway out to a non-existent Vaughan Corporate Centre.
If we are going to spend money like that, the subway might as well be extended to MCC instead where there is demand for rapid transit as we speak.
As an alternative, Mississauga finally gets it's long awaited 14 station Transitway Line to connect the Kipling subway to MCC.
The provincial budget allocated $65 million plus another $25 million through GO Transit for a total $90 million. If Ottawa and Mississauga come through with it's 1/3 share of $90 million each we have $270 to fund and complete the line.
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ahrvojic
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Observer Walt:
Why is it that everywhere else (even Vaughan apparently) it's "if you build it, they will come", but for Mississauga that's never the case even if there's already a huge population to be served there?
cdl42:
I also keep seeing the Milton line re-route to MCC idea on this board. Can someone please explain to me how on earth that's more realistic than extending the Bloor line? Also, what about when the CN switches on the Milton line freeze every other day in a normal winter? Nevermind that GO is expensive.
Why is it that everywhere else (even Vaughan apparently) it's "if you build it, they will come", but for Mississauga that's never the case even if there's already a huge population to be served there?
cdl42:
I also keep seeing the Milton line re-route to MCC idea on this board. Can someone please explain to me how on earth that's more realistic than extending the Bloor line? Also, what about when the CN switches on the Milton line freeze every other day in a normal winter? Nevermind that GO is expensive.
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Observer Walt
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Suicidal: that's my point. Who wants it to go further? There is little enthusiasm either in Toronto or Mississauga.
BTW years ago when the Peterson government planned to extend the subway west to Sherway, the plan was to put the terminal station in the northeast quadrant of Queensway and the West Mall, which was vacant land at the time, directly north of Sherway Gardens. The land has since been developed with big box stores and freestanding restaurants.
BTW years ago when the Peterson government planned to extend the subway west to Sherway, the plan was to put the terminal station in the northeast quadrant of Queensway and the West Mall, which was vacant land at the time, directly north of Sherway Gardens. The land has since been developed with big box stores and freestanding restaurants.
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Observer Walt
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ahrvojic: Good point. I for one absolutely do not believe that "if you build it they will come". See my post on another thread just a few minutes ago, where I am very skeptical about extending the Spadina line into Vaughan. If it is to be built at all, end it at Steeles, and even then it will need an effort to intensify land uses along its route.
A Bloor subway extension to the west, into Mississauga, would run mainly through an older industrial neighbourhood in south Etobicoke, then through low-density, long-established neighbourhoods in the southeastern portion of Mississauga, which would probably be resistant to densification. It wouldn't reach high-density areas until Hurontario Street, many many miles from Kipling.
The Milton GO line, which runs across central Mississauga, is an underutilized resource in my opinion. It has rush hour service in one direction only. However, if all-day service were introduced, it would get people from Miss. into most parts of Toronto much faster than a subway, even if it was necessary to ride the GO train and then transfer to a subway at Union Station to complete the trip.
There is also a major cost difference. An existing GO line with tracks and stations at ground level can be upgraded at a much cheaper price than building a new subway, even if a new track were required.
A Bloor subway extension to the west, into Mississauga, would run mainly through an older industrial neighbourhood in south Etobicoke, then through low-density, long-established neighbourhoods in the southeastern portion of Mississauga, which would probably be resistant to densification. It wouldn't reach high-density areas until Hurontario Street, many many miles from Kipling.
The Milton GO line, which runs across central Mississauga, is an underutilized resource in my opinion. It has rush hour service in one direction only. However, if all-day service were introduced, it would get people from Miss. into most parts of Toronto much faster than a subway, even if it was necessary to ride the GO train and then transfer to a subway at Union Station to complete the trip.
There is also a major cost difference. An existing GO line with tracks and stations at ground level can be upgraded at a much cheaper price than building a new subway, even if a new track were required.
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El Chico905
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Was there any mention of the MPH (Mid-peninsula highway) ?
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scarberiankhatru
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"If we are going to spend money like that, the subway might as well be extended to MCC instead where there is demand for rapid transit as we speak."
That's what I was implying...I'd rather not see either one get built when there's routes like the DRL, Eglinton East & West, Sheppard East & West, RT replacement, etc., that are all better choices. Inner suburbs like Etobicoke, NY, and Scarborough (even Mississauga - if it and Toronto were the same city, the subway would already reach MCC just as it will reach SCC) already have the congested bus routes and nodal density prefectly suited for subways...screw Vaughan.
If they want millions of suburban car trips off the road, give the money to GO. If they want to save money on buses by replacing them with a subway, build it on Eglinton. A Dundas West to Union to Pape and beyond DRL would be even better. I really don't mind the fact that we might not be expanding the subway system in the best way (anything is better than nothing), but a subway to York is one thing, while a subway to the GTA's largest sinkhole, surrounded by big box stores, light industries, and pristine groundhog habitat is just mindnumbingly stupid - I hope the feds, province, and York Region end up chipping in enough that the city won't be financially screwed for years.
That's what I was implying...I'd rather not see either one get built when there's routes like the DRL, Eglinton East & West, Sheppard East & West, RT replacement, etc., that are all better choices. Inner suburbs like Etobicoke, NY, and Scarborough (even Mississauga - if it and Toronto were the same city, the subway would already reach MCC just as it will reach SCC) already have the congested bus routes and nodal density prefectly suited for subways...screw Vaughan.
If they want millions of suburban car trips off the road, give the money to GO. If they want to save money on buses by replacing them with a subway, build it on Eglinton. A Dundas West to Union to Pape and beyond DRL would be even better. I really don't mind the fact that we might not be expanding the subway system in the best way (anything is better than nothing), but a subway to York is one thing, while a subway to the GTA's largest sinkhole, surrounded by big box stores, light industries, and pristine groundhog habitat is just mindnumbingly stupid - I hope the feds, province, and York Region end up chipping in enough that the city won't be financially screwed for years.
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cdl42
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Once we start heading as far out as Mississauga, it makes a lot more sense to upgrade GO services rather than building a subway. We could even electrify and divert the Milton GO line through a tunnel through MCC. I think a train that could get you downtown in 15 minutes, every 15 minutes would attract more passengers than a subway that runs every 5 mins but takes 50 minutes to do the same trip. It would also really help Mississauga with its City Centre plans, making the area a true node (allowing both Mississauga and Toronto passengers to ride the train to MCC) and giving residents in the area a major destination to walk to. And it would still cost a heck of a lot less than a subway.
Transferring at Kipling would still exist for those travelling to intermediate points.
(Too screwball European? This is the standard in Germany.)
Transferring at Kipling would still exist for those travelling to intermediate points.
(Too screwball European? This is the standard in Germany.)