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lrt's friend said:
A lot of Ottawa residents go to Montreal for international flights. It is much preferred to Pearson. Going forward, a Dorval station is critical. With Alto, rail to plane will grow substantially from Ottawa but if we skip Dorval in long-term plans, we are shooting ourselves in the foot. I don't care how seamless the Gare Centrale connection is if it adds an hour to travel time coming from Ottawa, you have lost this market niche..
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It would be interesting to see the percentage of ADM passenger volume that originate from Ottawa. My guess is very limited as of now. Ottawa is a regional aviation market and REM/ADM’s first and foremost priority should be to service the greater Montreal.

As for coming from Ottawa via REM via Gare Centrale - it’s a 25 min train ride from Gare Centrale to YUL. Maybe add on another 10 to the trip from Dorval to Gare Centrale. Not really a huge detour for those limited number of Ottawa travelers.

Lastly, we don’t even know the state of Alto and future stations at the moment. Why invest billions in an airport connection to a station like Dorval that may or may not even be serviced by HSR? That’s the biggest red flag for me right now.
 
I recently flew out of Montreal to Europe. I didn't do it because it was cheaper, I did it because there was more flight choices. If I had left from Ottawa I would have landed in Paris at 6am with kids in tow. I wanted to get there later in the morning.

When I can fly out of Ottawa I do. Besides obviously being closer, it's a zippy airport with shorr wait times. But there's no way it will ever truly compete with Montreal. It's not that Ottawa is too small a city, it's that YUL is too close
 
SFO-YYZ said:
It would be interesting to see the percentage of ADM passenger volume that originate from Ottawa. My guess is very limited as of now. Ottawa is a regional aviation market and REM/ADM’s first and foremost priority should be to service the greater Montreal.

As for coming from Ottawa via REM via Gare Centrale - it’s a 25 min train ride from Gare Centrale to YUL. Maybe add on another 10 to the trip from Dorval to Gare Centrale. Not really a huge detour for those limited number of Ottawa travelers.

Lastly, we don’t even know the state of Alto and future stations at the moment. Why invest billions in an airport connection to a station like Dorval that may or may not even be serviced by HSR? That’s the biggest red flag for me right now.
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A lot of Ottawa residents fly internationally via Montreal. The current VIA service does not allow a significant number of those to travel by rail.

Why would we plan Alto to not allow for that possibility? It seems a natural. Why would we delete a station at Dorval that exists today? The connection at Dorval does not need to be REM. It just needs to be reliable even if a bus.

As far going via Gare Centrale, that is a deal breaker. It is not a significant improvement over.the status quo. Frankly, your comment is a very disappointing viewpoint. Our many billion new investment needs to maximize ridership
 
dowlingm said:
Ottawa residents would probably prefer to fly from their own airport, and given the significant pivot towards point to point single aisle airliners in recent years, the airlines may give them that opportunity. I think it’s arguable that at least some of the capital cost of bringing HSR to Dorval should be on the back of YUL airport improvement fees rather than the general taxpayer.

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Sure, Ottawa residents would like more direct international flights. That has never been in the cards with our location between Toronto and Montreal. The next best thing is to fly via Montreal. If rail was reliable, people would use it. As I have already said, why would we delete the already existing Dorval station? Should we also delete one of Ottawa's two railway stations as well for HSR?
 
lrt's friend said:
This will never be built as federal workers continue to work from home and public service management does not challenge this to any degree. There are claims that federal workers have no offices to work in while many federal buildings are empty. It boggles the mind but the public service is a different world of special privilege
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Sorry but I'm a federal worker and this is just complete and utter lies.

1. All federal servants, regardless of dept, must report to the office a min of 3 days per week. This has been the case for over a year and a half!

2. Several offices are beyond capacity, necessitating addition WFH days in those office.

3. rumor has it that we will be moving to four days per week soon.

4. You speak of privilege but the feds are looking for 15 percent annual savings in three years. As of March 31st, 2025, the the cra alone has let go of over 9k employers. And plans to layoff more in the fall.

In the city of ottawa the mayor recently pleaded with the PM , for them to avoid firing federal employees. Frankly I dont blame him. Like 70 percent of the o train passengers is fed employees
 
While I am sympathetic concerning the worries of PS workers relating to federal cutbacks, I am aware of completely empty federal buildings both downtown and elsewhere in Ottawa. We are also aware that downtown foot traffic and transit usage has not recovered from the pandemic. This has resulted in across the board transit cuts. For this reason, there can be no business case for building a tramway from Aylmer.
 
lrt's friend said:
While I am sympathetic concerning the worries of PS workers relating to federal cutbacks, I am aware of completely empty federal buildings both downtown and elsewhere in Ottawa. We are also aware that downtown foot traffic and transit usage has not recovered from the pandemic. This has resulted in across the board transit cuts. For this reason, there can be no business case for building a tramway from Aylmer.
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You have a flawed understanding of federal hiring practices and it's leading you to draw the wrong conclusion about the viability of the project imo. However, as this is a montreal thread, I will leave it there. If you wish to continue the conversation elsewhere feel free to let me know.
 
Rundown of schedule of the REM when it opens next week:
  • From Aug. 18 to 22: The last train will leave Central Station at 8:40 p.m.
  • The weekend of Aug. 23-24: Entire network is closed
  • From Aug. 18 to 22: The last train will leave the Brossard station at 8:20 p.m.
  • From Aug. 25 to 29: The last train will leave Central Station at 8:40 p.m.
  • From Aug 25 to 29: The last train will leave the Brossard station at 8:20 p.m.
  • The weekend of Aug. 30-31: Entire network is closed
  • The weekend of Sept. 6-7: Entire network is closed
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From CTV
 
p_xavier said:
New Blue Stations names are to be presented to the public this morning.
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Les noms des nouvelles stations de la ligne bleue dévoilés

Les nouvelles stations de la ligne bleue du métro seront « Vertières », « Mary-Two-Axe-Earley », « Césira-Pasirotto », « Madeleine-Parent » et « Anjou ».
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They are: « Vertières », « Mary-Two-Axe-Earley », « Césira-Pasirotto », « Madeleine-Parent » et « Anjou ».
 
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