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#2 over #1 please. I’m frustrated that road and sidewalk design is dictated by oversized emergency vehicles. We often can’t have separated bike lanes, sidewalk barriers, or other safe infrastructure because emergency vehicles can’t fit. Whenever I stand at the NW corner of Parliament and Carlton waiting to cross I note how narrow the sidewalk is, and how southbound trucks ride over the corner as they turn right onto Carlton - and I think we need a deeper sidewalk and a barrier here. But of course firetrucks seemingly cannot make the turn if a streetcar is there. Another example, in the suburbs, residential streets are built wide enough for six cars across, while in older city areas like Cabbagetown or Parkdale, streets may be only two cars wide - which would never be allowed today to serve the firetrucks. The solution isn’t to force infrastructure to accommodate massive vehicles, but to procure emergency vehicles that can navigate the streets we actually have. For example here is a firetruck in Paris.

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Instead of separate directional bike lanes, have dual-directional bike lanes. One lane for both cycling directions.
Maybe create "Emergency Vehicle Lanes", that can be used by cyclists when the ambulances or fire trucks are not using them.
 
Instead of separate directional bike lanes, have dual-directional bike lanes. One lane for both cycling directions.
Maybe create "Emergency Vehicle Lanes", that can be used by cyclists when the ambulances or fire trucks are not using them.
If you make separated bike lanes that are wide enough for a vehicle they will be used by cars. I see this every day on eastbound Dundas, Parliament to River. Maybe some sort of automated bollard would help - though I can see cellphone distracted cyclists crashing into it.

But I'm not referring to bike lanes mostly, but instead to our sidewalks and road widths being dictated by our appetite for enormous emergency vehicles.
 
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#2 over #1 please. I’m frustrated that road and sidewalk design is dictated by oversized emergency vehicles. We often can’t have separated bike lanes, sidewalk barriers, or other safe infrastructure because emergency vehicles can’t fit.

Toronto lately has been building some bike lanes wide enough for emergency vehicle use. See; University Avenue, or Adelaide St.

That said, getting rid of street parking opens up wider lanes for everyone.

I see no reason that we need these enormous beasts dictating our infrastructure if Paris can make do with the above. Especially since most FD trips are ambulance calls.
I think it might just be about availability and cost. The Cummins L9 models the city ordered last year are built in Brampton, on Spartan chassis.

Our preference for "buying Canadian / buy North American" means we're buying from only a very small handful of companies like Rev Group, Rosenbauer and Oshkosh, and the arena is consolidating to the point of being a problem.

Regardless, it's more about length than width (so, curb radius and turning clearance vs lane width) as the Mercedes Ateco chassis trucks used in Paris are roughly 97.5" wide vs say ones built on the Spartan (Rev Group 100"), Ferrara (Rev Group; 102") or Rosenbauer Commander (100") chassis. Odds are if one of our fire trucks aren't narrow enough to make it through and area, it's likely European ones aren't either. The exception would be Oshkosh, but they make those ultra-wide odd looking trucks that you see more often at Airports.

That said, there's an interesting blog piece about the differences between North American fire apparatus and European and the differences that determine the equipment used.
 
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If you make separated bike lanes that are wide enough for a vehicle they will be used by cars. I see this every day on eastbound Dundas, Parliament to River. Maybe some sort of automated bollard would help - though I can see cellphone distracted cyclists crashing into it.

But I'm not referring to bike lanes mostly, but instead to our sidewalks and road widths being dictated by our appetite for enormous emergency vehicles.
Automobiles can drive anywhere they want to in Ontario.
 
Pretty sure the Fire Department has said the reason they have to buy larger trucks is that their stations are often required to be a jack of all trades and need the flexibility the larger trucks offer for varying conditions across the city, and if we wanted smaller more specialized vehicles, we'd need to also increase the number of fire houses.
 
Automobiles can drive anywhere they want to in Ontario.
Brampton. If you’ve ever been to India, that’s their driving school. That's why Brampton has some of the highest auto insurance rates of the country. My mates have just returned from a three week guided motorcycle tour of southern India and their guide shared the... Unofficial Rules of Driving in India
  1. Forget the Rearview Mirror. What’s behind you doesn’t matter. If you see a gap in front, take it. Whoever is behind will adjust—or honk.
  2. Every Gap Is Yours. A car-sized gap? Go for it. A motorcycle-sized gap? Even better. A pedestrian-sized gap? Honk twice and squeeze in.
  3. The Horn Is Your Voice. Indicators are optional.
  4. Roads Are Just Suggestions. Lane markings? Decorative. Medians? Optional. Sidewalks? Extra lanes for when the main road feels crowded.
  5. Size = Right of Way. Trucks and buses are kings. Cars bow to them. Motorcycles bow to cars. Pedestrians bow to everyone (and pray).
  6. Traffic Lights Are Guidelines. Green = Go. Yellow = Go faster. Red = Depends… is there a cop? If not, maybe still go.
  7. Shoulder? Sidewalk? Go for It. If the main road is blocked, the shoulder is fair game. If the shoulder is blocked, the sidewalk is fair game. If the sidewalk is blocked, well… time to invent a new road.
  8. Cows Rule All. If a cow is in the road, all bets are off. Cars, buses, trucks, even the police will stop and wait. The cow is always right.
  9. Roundabouts = Free for All. First come, first serve. Or last come, first shove. Either way, honk and hope.
  10. Expect the Unexpected. Wrong-way traffic? Normal. Three people on a scooter? Normal. A tractor hauling sugarcane at 10 km/h in the fast lane? Normal. Just keep moving.
This may give some insight as to why our food delivery ebikers seem to follow no rules whatsoever.

 
Brampton. If you’ve ever been to India, that’s their driving school. That's why Brampton has some of the highest auto insurance rates of the country. My mates have just returned from a three week guided motorcycle tour of southern India and their guide shared the... Unofficial Rules of Driving in India
  1. Forget the Rearview Mirror. What’s behind you doesn’t matter. If you see a gap in front, take it. Whoever is behind will adjust—or honk.
  2. Every Gap Is Yours. A car-sized gap? Go for it. A motorcycle-sized gap? Even better. A pedestrian-sized gap? Honk twice and squeeze in.
  3. The Horn Is Your Voice. Indicators are optional.
  4. Roads Are Just Suggestions. Lane markings? Decorative. Medians? Optional. Sidewalks? Extra lanes for when the main road feels crowded.
  5. Size = Right of Way. Trucks and buses are kings. Cars bow to them. Motorcycles bow to cars. Pedestrians bow to everyone (and pray).
  6. Traffic Lights Are Guidelines. Green = Go. Yellow = Go faster. Red = Depends… is there a cop? If not, maybe still go.
  7. Shoulder? Sidewalk? Go for It. If the main road is blocked, the shoulder is fair game. If the shoulder is blocked, the sidewalk is fair game. If the sidewalk is blocked, well… time to invent a new road.
  8. Cows Rule All. If a cow is in the road, all bets are off. Cars, buses, trucks, even the police will stop and wait. The cow is always right.
  9. Roundabouts = Free for All. First come, first serve. Or last come, first shove. Either way, honk and hope.
  10. Expect the Unexpected. Wrong-way traffic? Normal. Three people on a scooter? Normal. A tractor hauling sugarcane at 10 km/h in the fast lane? Normal. Just keep moving.
This may give some insight as to why our food delivery ebikers seem to follow no rules whatsoever.


Driver training is very loosely mandated. So many of them are scams. They take you out and then tell you to pay extra $$$ for guaranteed licensing. That's another reason why driving is so bad in Brampton. Too many unqualified people behind the wheel.

My neighbors car was hit recently by a hit and run. She checked the security camera footage, and saw it was one of those mickey mouse driving schools that hit her car. The instructor would have known the student backed into the parked car. But they drove off like nothing happened!
 
My neighbors car was hit recently by a hit and run. She checked the security camera footage, and saw it was one of those mickey mouse driving schools that hit her car. The instructor would have known the student backed into the parked car. But they drove off like nothing happened!

That bodes well. I sure hope your neighbour was able to ID the school.

AoD
 
Instead of separate directional bike lanes, have dual-directional bike lanes. One lane for both cycling directions.
Maybe create "Emergency Vehicle Lanes", that can be used by cyclists when the ambulances or fire trucks are not using them.
This is not a bad idea, to be honest. If we refuse to do anything to address congestion, having bidirectional bike lanes that can be used by emergency vehicles (probably would need to be camera enforced) would help to get around a lot of the opposition to bike lanes around supposedly causing congestion and delaying emergency services.
 
That bodes well. I sure hope your neighbour was able to ID the school.

AoD

I hope so too, So many bad third party driving instructors out there.

My cousins kid spent a lot of money at one of those mickey mouse drivers training "schools" in Guelph. The driver instructor just kept cancelling on him abruptly at the last minute for weeks on end. The kid needed his drivers license for university and work ASAP! They ended up getting it sorted out, but still it shouldn't have happened in the first place when you are paying that kind of money!
 
I hope so too, So many bad third party driving instructors out there.

My cousins kid spent a lot of money at one of those mickey mouse drivers training "schools" in Guelph. The driver instructor just kept cancelling on him abruptly at the last minute for weeks on end. The kid needed his drivers license for university and work ASAP! They ended up getting it sorted out, but still it shouldn't have happened in the first place when you are paying that kind of money!
We sent our kid to YD. Expensive, but professional.
 

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