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Bordercollie said:
Would a 100 car double stack train carry more containers than a lake freighter?

Quebec city has a deep sea port.

I wonder if they could get the line to Churchill to run at 50mph if running double stack container trains from there to Toronto would make sense? It would be closer than Halifax.
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I don't know. I'm not sure there is such a thing as a 'container laker'; the majority are bulk or tankers. Where would it off-load in Toronto? Container yards with any handling volume take a lot of real estate plus to truck/rail access, none of which the Port of Toronto offers.

I don't know if the Port of Quebec has a container dock. There's a lot of competition for container traffic on the east coast between those that already have the facilities and those that propose them, plus competition from US ports. I'm not sure Churchill would be all that competitive given that it is seasonal. "Closer than Halifax" depends on where the ship is coming from.
 
Bordercollie said:
Is it faster to put a container on a train to get to Toronto or for a boat to get to Toronto?

But there is a huge backlog to get to port to unload. Would building a port to unload containers alleviate this pain point? But you would need to transfer from ocean vessels to lake vessels somewhere.
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This really is in the wrong thread, nothing to do with old rail lines in Toronto.
 
Not a map but we've discussed this spur in the past here.
Admiral Beez said:
The train I saw on Unwin was pulling a huge, oversized tanker car to a waiting ship. The Unwin tracks go to the old Rochester ferry terminal. I wish I'd taken a pic of the train, but below was the exact spot I saw it.

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What about the tracks that run down the middle of Commissioner Street?
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Speaking of that track and where it led to, saw this tweet from Ports Toronto recently.

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Reminded me of this image that was once available on the Bing Map bird's eye view. I got a screenshot of it years ago.

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Here are some pictures from November 2008 when different engines than the ones above were loaded onto a ship. These were taken posted to the boatnerd.com site taken by Joe Zika and the ship was the Jumbo Vision.

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Relevant cross-post:

General railway discussions

Until the tracks to London are brought up to standard that will support 100mph trains, its a lost cause for not only the city, but the ones between them to be service by GO, let alone VIA. Railways created new towns and cities as well help them to grows until the car came along. It isn't just...
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Allandale25 said:
Relevant cross-post:

General railway discussions

Until the tracks to London are brought up to standard that will support 100mph trains, its a lost cause for not only the city, but the ones between them to be service by GO, let alone VIA. Railways created new towns and cities as well help them to grows until the car came along. It isn't just...
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca
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Not sure it's very relevant as this thread has been almost completely about the old freight 'sidings' serving industry and the port in Toronto.
 
Where this started - maps here


I have never been able to find any official documentation of Wilson Yard - it was Harbour Commission property and not TTR or CN property, so doesn't appear in any old railway timetables or operating documents.

Wilson Yard does indeed seem to have been inhaled into the GO Don layover yard.

The yard alongside Lakeshore Blvd east of the Don is Keating Yard, not Wilson Yard.

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
Where this started - maps here


I have never been able to find any official documentation of Wilson Yard - it was Harbour Commission property and not TTR or CN property, so doesn't appear in any old railway timetables or operating documents.

Wilson Yard does indeed seem to have been inhaled into the GO Don layover yard.

The yard alongside Lakeshore Blvd east of the Don is Keating Yard, not Wilson Yard.

- Paul
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You mean was the Keating Yard as it was removed a few years ago when the bridge over the Don was removed. It has been replaced by the new cycling and pedestrian sidewalk bridge beside the new westbound Lake Shore Bridge that will open this fall. New cycling path being built where the line ran to the east before crossover into the centre of the road that still exist.

Never heard there was a Wilson Yard down on the waterfront area, but a small yard below and beside the GO Don Yard that doesn't exist anymore
 
drum118 said:
You mean was the Keating Yard as it was removed a few years ago when the bridge over the Don was removed. It has been replaced by the new cycling and pedestrian sidewalk bridge beside the new westbound Lake Shore Bridge that will open this fall. New cycling path being built where the line ran to the east before crossover into the centre of the road that still exist.

Never heard there was a Wilson Yard down on the waterfront area, but a small yard below and beside the GO Don Yard that doesn't exist anymore
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Wilson Yard was the small 5-track yard immediately south of, and at a lower elevation to, Don Yard.

Don Yard was a CN facility, Wilson Yard was owned by the Toronto Harbour Commission. GO has taken over both, and is incorporating the land from Wilson Yard into their Don Yard.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
Wilson Yard was the small 5-track yard immediately south of, and at a lower elevation to, Don Yard.

Don Yard was a CN facility, Wilson Yard was owned by the Toronto Harbour Commission. GO has taken over both, and is incorporating the land from Wilson Yard into their Don Yard.

Dan
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Yes, it is confusing to have TWO "Wilson Yards" but here is the MX info on the 'merger' of theirs with the Don Yard.


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THIS Wilson Yard was used for many years to store work cars and old obsolete equipment - the "Crane Car' that is now at the rail museum on Bremner was stored there for quite a while before it was donated.
 
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